William Frederick Tann dilemna

[Janet in Yorkshire]

For anyone helping, here is the 1865 Brooklyn census image

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTR3-HT5?i=235&cc=1491284

Wife was Mary Jane born Ireland, and he was a carpenter. Both children born in Kings County, of which Brooklyn is a part.

Jay

[Janet in Yorkshire]

And 1900 in Wyandotte, with widowed daughter - wonder if any paperwork for her might have mother's surname or details of origins of parents? In this census, wife Mary was born in England!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-69T7-GYM?i=45&cc=1325221

[Janet in Yorkshire]

1920 with second wife

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R6L-S2K?i=37&cc=1488411

Several surnames and locations to play around with.

[Elaine]

You have his movements spot on and glad you filled me in with the Kansas/Missouri bit.

William was a carpenter but given as blacksmith in the paper re his misdemeanour.

For son George Tann dying in Missouri 1938, mother is Irish

https://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1938/1938_00034523.PDF

Here's a good spelling too

Lizzie Gann
Kansas, Marriages
Name Frank Minahon
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 24 Aug 1882
Event Place , Wyandotte, Kansas, United States
Gender Male
Age 23
Marital Status Married
Birth Year (Estimated) 1859
Birthplace of Jefferson Co., Kan.
Spouse's Name Lizzie Gann
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1863
Spouse's Birthplace of Wyandott Co., Kan.

Have bits from the Sheehan's but haven't looked at the Doherty side as it is a second marriage; need to look at Missouri a bit maybe...after another cuppa!

[Elaine]

and the other daughter I could find

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FW2D-1L4

Name: H. C. Thurgate
Birth Date: 1864
Age: 24
Spouse's Name: Johanna Tann
Spouse's Birth Date: 1872
Spouse's Age: 16
Event Date: 12 Sep 1888
Event Place: Wyandotte, Kansas

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Elaine, you've certainly got your work cut out on this one!:(
I need to do a few bits, but will be back on later.

Jay

[vera2013]

Have been looking Elaine. Noted the William as a 17 year old Blacksmith and then solidly a Carpenter through all of the census.
Not seeing him arriving in the US with or without Mary H. Very tight as Jay says. First child Mary E 21 months at time of 1865 census.
Williams sponsor for naturalisation swore in 1868 William had been in USA for at least 5 years.
Did look for Mary H's death between 1900/1910 but note Kansas deaths not easily available pre 1911 but there are some old volumes being worked on.
Will look at deaths of the children to see if I can get 1st Mary's mn.


Vera

[Elaine]

Thanks Vera, we are all on the same wavelength noting everyone's thoughts.

Really appreciate the help and a big thank you to you:o

[Elaine]

ps should read to you all

[PhotoFamily]

Brooklyn Eagle Newspaper archive, free online. Problem is to find a word or name to search on that generates useful info

https://bklyn.newspapers.com/search/#

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Sorry, nothing more to add at present. :( Have a busy day tomorrow, but will be around before I go out and again in the evening, to see if anyone's come up with anything. If we could just find that one little scrap .....

Jay

[Elaine]

Got me head down searching, have at least found another death but they just don't remember their mother's name

Take care tomorrow

[Elaine]

Thanks for the link PhotoFamily, I tried using varients but no luck so far and results are a plenty for the H as Hartnett of course not another spelling!

[Janet in Yorkshire]

On dear, I was hoping that there might have been a glimmer of light, but not yet, it seems. :(

[Janet in Yorkshire]

I'm finding it quite difficult to get my head around what few official records there are for the time before the 1870's. Makes me realise how lucky we are in having civil records from 1837 and Church records from Elizabethan times. Also centuries of wills for those with property or possessions. One whistle-stop tour of the States nearly 40 years ago was an eye opener - compared with the UK, there was just nothing "old" and artefacts on display in museums were what I would call "bygones". I had older exhibits in my house :D

Jay

[Elaine]

I can't believe I can only find one baptism and that was under the wrong country!

[vera2013]

Still looking. Thinking the same thing. How tardy to have vital events recorded so late. Didn't they realise we would need them for Elaine's research.
Elaine can you give more info on William F's return on the Ceylon
and incarceration in Gib?

Vera

[Elaine]

Here you go

London Standard
Wednesday 30 January 1856
...William Tann, 17, of No. 1, Tittering-terrace, Islington, blacksmith...

London Standard
Tuesday 19 February 1856
MIDDLESEX SESSIONS, FEB. 18.
The February general sessions of the county of Middlesex commenced this morning at the Court House. on Clerkenwell-green, before Mr Pashley, Q.C., the assistant judge, and a bench of magistrates.
John Martin, 18, Frederick Smith, 14 an William Tann, 17, were indicted for stealing, in the dwelling-house of Samuel Raven, silver spoons and other articles, value 20l., his property.
They pleaded guilty.
The Assistant Judge referred to the prison returns, and found that Tann had been several times convicted, and once sent to the Reformatory at Red Hill. He, therefore, sentenced him to six years' penal servitude, and Smith and Martin, who were not previously known, to 12 months' hard labour each.

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: William Frederick Tam
Date of Trial: 12 Mar 1855
Trial Year: 1855
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

Redhill Reformatory Records Admission 1855
Wm. Fr. Tann Glass blower, died 15 yrs ago
Stepfather Richard Jakeman Sawyer married the boys mother Elizabeth Tann about 12 yrs ago
Eliz. Tann died Dec 1851
The Stepfather married
Mrs Harding nearly 2 yrs
Aunt's address Mrs Jakeman 3 Tillerton Terrace, Putney St. Barnsbury Rd, Islington
2 Sister's & 1 Bro. by Jakeman's marriage to his mother
1 Stepbro. by Jakeman's marriage to his stepmother
Stepmother had 11 children by fomer husband

Admitted 1855 May 4 on Govt. Acct.
William Fred. Tann (alias Tam)
Age: 16
Born: Nov. 15 1838
Educational State: Read/Writ/Cypher a little General Ability not great
Had been employed at Artificial Flower Stamping
Ofence: Stealing 3 coats from a house
Sentence: 2 years Imprisonment
Charged or Tried at Middx. Sessions Clerkenwell March 13/55
Imprisoned in Westminster Bridewell
Convicted before 6 times
Imprisoned before 6 times
Sleeping out 14 days
Found in an empty house 1 mo.
Stealing 2 fowls from a Pub. H. 2 mo.
Found in an orchard 7 days
Concerned in a robbery 1 mo/2 mo

1856 Jan 23 Leaves home to 28th did not return
Feb 18 Tried for being concerned in a robbery of plate
Sentence to 6 yrs penal servitude

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
First name(s) William
Last name Tann
Occupation Laborer
Age 17
Birth year 1839
Year 1856
Date 18 Feb 1856
Crime Larceny
Sentence duration 6
Place Portland
Court Middlesex
Source Millbank Prison Registers: Male Prisoners. Volume 7
Series HO24
Piece number 7

1858
Dec 8 Writes from Convict Hulk Gibraltar enquiring about relatives and expressing contrition (no. 3211)

1859
Aug 29 Writes again from same place asking S. (?)J's intercession for the shortening of his sentence

***HO 11/18/255 1857 November 20
Page 255: Transportation register of convicts bound for Gibraltar on the convict ship Lady McNaghten.

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
First name(s) William
Last name Tann
Occupation Laborer
Age 17
Court Middlesex
Series PCOM2
Source Gibraltar Prison: register of prisoners
DISCHARGED AND EMBARKED FOR SOUTHAMPTON per M.P. ''CEYLON'' 13 FEB 1862

Morning Chronicle 19 Feb 1862
"The Ceylon sailed from Alexandria on the 4th, Malta the 8th and Gibraltar the 13th inst., ......"

Have always thought it was tight for time but I can't see him in England and this William just feels like he is my guy but I can't find that bit of the puzzle to just let me know one way or the other.

[Elaine]

and very tardy not having them for my research Vera:D

[vera2013]

Thanks Elaine. Wonder if he stowed or joined crew? He was a skilled man.
Looks very much like yours.

Vera