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    Hello everyone, I'm back with a new conundrum.

    An elderly friend asked me to look into her ancestry. She gave me some pointers: Her father divorced her mother when she was very young and married his best friend's wife. His best friend married her mother - a straight swap, so to speak. She told me that an aunt or great aunt was a Bowes-Lyons who was incarcerated in a Lunatic Asylum on the A2 outside south east London - she lived there for the rest of her life. She also told me she was a descendant of James Brindley, the engineer.

    Margaret Mary was born 12/1/1933,but no mention where; she married twice, 1) Norman Hodgson, 2) Norman Mill, both of whom i knew.
    Her father was a Ralph Horace Goodwin, *14/9/1897 , Bucknall, Staffs , + 10/1992 Hove, Sussex. He left her a hefty sum in his will.
    His father was a John Brindley Goodwin, 1860-1933, Iron and Brass founder, married to (1885) Sarah Tunnicliff(e), 1864, Hanley, Staffs - 1934 Bucknall Staffs.

    The Brindleys I can follow easily to the mid 1700, from Norton in the Moors, Staffs - ironically from the same neck of the woods as James Brindley, so there may well be a connection.
    Try, as i might, i could not find a birth certificate for Margaret Mary Goodwin, born 1933, but I did find her , aged 8, at Doncaster, living with Edwin A Ellis, born 2/1/1905, works manager and her mother Margaret S Ellis, born 21.5.1905, the purported ex- wife of Ralph Horace Goodwin. this backs up Margaret's story to a certain extent. 'Ted' Ellis died in 1944. His 'widow' much later, in the 80s. I can find no marriage for these two.
    I cannot find any marriage(s) for Ralph Horace Goodwin, although, I know his daughter by his 'second' marriage to Ted Ellis's ex-wife. I did note, however, that the census records for the time Margaret Mary have been 'closed'. - what on earth does this mean? Can anyone assist? I have trawled the ancestry records, Geneanet, MyH, - but to no avail! thank you!, Peter/Gabby
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    There was a Bowes Lyon who was in a home of some sort ..... I think she was a cousin of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother.
    My avatar is my mother and her mother, Scarborough ca 1925-1930.
    Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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    Name Ralph H Goodwin
    Date of Registration 1930 - Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district Barrow-upon-Soar
    Inferred County Leicestershire
    Spouse Margaret S Heatherill
    Volume Number 7a
    Page number 451

    Births Mar 1933
    Goodwin Margaret M mmn Heatherill Leicester 7a 387

    On 1939 register she is recorded with Edwin Ellis as Margaret S Ellis married.
    but on Electoral Register for 1939 Doncaster she is recorded as Margaret Scott Goodwin with Edwin Ellis living 22 Town Moor Av.

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...77&usePUB=true

    btw the 3rd record of the family group on 1939 register will remain closed until death has been verified.
    https://www.findmypast.co.uk/frequen...icially-closed
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    HEATHERILL, MARGARET SCOTT mmn LYON
    GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 283

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=53626772
    1911 Census
    James Heatherill 40 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Paper Merchant
    Jessie C Heatherill 34 Glasgow, Lanarkshire
    James Graham Heatherill 8 Leicester, Leicestershire
    William Lyon Heatherill 6 " "
    Margaret Scott Heatherill 5 " "
    Gordon Heatherill 1 " "
    Mary Elizabeth Maddox 62 Caretaker
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    Marriage Sept Qtr 1939
    Gwendolyn M Baveystock to Ralph H Goodwin Leicester 7a 1057

    He is with Gwendolyn on 1939 register as Married. National Registration Day was September 29th

    Marriage Sept 1939
    Edwin A Ellis to Margaret S Goodwin/Heatherill Doncaster 9c 2600

    They must have divorced but cannot see a record at the moment.
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    The Queen Mother, who was Elizabeth Bowes Lyon before her marriage, had two NEICES, Katherine and Nerissa Bowes Lyon who spent their adult lives in an institution because they had severe learning difficulties. They were the daughters of the QMs brother.

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    Found this in Leicester Daily Mercury 30 August 1939

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    and this:
    Nottingham Evening Post 20 February 1939

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    Just passing by and realise I meant to point out that the marriages were found on FreeBMD - https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
    and the births with mmn - Mothers maiden name - are freely available on GRO as are deaths but not marriages. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/c...es/default.asp
    You have to register first for free then click on "Search the GRO Online index".
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    For what it's worth! There were five females associated with this family who spent their adult years in a mental institution.

    They were

    Nerissa Bowes-Lyon 1919-1986
    Katherine Bowes-Lyon 1926-2014
    Idonea Fane 1912-2001
    Rosemary Fane 1914-1972
    Etheldreda Fane 1922-1996

    Their maternal grandfather, who placed them in the hospital, was 21st Baron Clinton, Charles John Robert Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis. He married Lady Jane Gray McDonnell.

    So there's a few surnames to play with!

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    Marriage: JAMES HEATHERILL to JESSIE CHRISTIE LYON in 1901 - Ref 644/7 1017 - RD name Blythswood, Lanarkshire from Scotlands People: https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/r...stat_marriages

    Maybe this is the line to follow for the Bowes-Lyons connection

    Scotlands People is also free to search the indexes - you need to pay credits for the images which could contain a lot more info.
    Last edited by Katarzyna; 17-05-18 at 11:07.
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