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  • John Botterill born East Yorkshire 1835

    John was born at Warter, where he was bp 7 Sep 1835, illeg son of Emma Botterill.
    In 1841 he was in North Cave with his grandfather & step-grandmother, visiting family members.

    I have no idea what became of John's mother, but grandfather John Botterill is believed to have died at Warter in 1843. I haven't found John jnr in 1851 - may have been taken in by a family member and recorded under that surname.

    On 27 Jan 1857 John married Jane Sutton at Millington and they had 3 daughters born at Millington: Emma 1858, Ann 1859 -1859,Martha Ann 1861. In 1861 John, Jane and the two surviving girls were in Millington, where John worked as an ag lab.
    Jane was buried at Millington in 1864, aged 25 yrs, and in 1871 Emma was in the West Riding(possibly visiting) with members of her mother's family whilst Martha Ann was in Millington with her maternal grandfather. In 1876 Emma died aged 18 yrs and was buried in Millington, Martha Ann married at Pocklington 29 Dec 1880, church register records her as daughter of the late John Botterill.

    I've gone Botterill blind working on this family - please can anyone find John in 1851(there are several other Johns of a similar age in neighbouring parishes, but mine was the only one born in the parish of Warter) and also his death after 1861 census and before Dec 1880, although I suspect he had died by 1871 as the girls were in the charge of his late wife's family.

    Thanks for looking.
    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



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  • #2
    Could this be a possibility for his death Janet?
    Deaths Jun 1870 - Botterill John 37 Driffield 9d 185
    Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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    • #3
      Thanks for looking, Chrissie.
      I think that may the John bp at Scampston in July 1832, and working in Burdale in 1851. (Or another one born at Garton, near Driffield, who I haven't kept proper tabs on because they're a different branch of Botteriils.) I' ll admit that I'm having difficulty tracking through the several John Botterills born 1830 - 1840.

      Jay
      Janet in Yorkshire



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      • #4
        I think the Driffield 1870 death registration was for John Botterill born Garton. In 1861 he and his wife were farming in Garton. In 1871 the wife was farming in Garton but she was a widow. Garton is part of the Driffield Reg Dist. Millington, where my John was in 1861 was in the Pocklington Reg Dist.

        Jay
        Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 27-04-18, 11:55.
        Janet in Yorkshire



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        • #5
          Have you seen this marriage?

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          England Marriages, 1538–1973
          Name: Francis Simpson
          Spouse's Name: Emma Botterill
          Event Date: 14 Feb 1841
          Event Place: Warter, York, England
          Elaine

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          • #6
            Just found the marriage



            Francis Simpson Full Age
            Residence Etton
            Marriage year 1841
            Marriage date 21 Feb 1841
            Marriage place Etton
            Father's first name(s) Thomas
            Father's last name Simpson
            To
            Emma Botterill Full Age
            Spouse's residence Warter
            Father's first name(s) John
            Father's last name Botterill

            marriage witnesses Thomas ?Maron George ?
            Elaine

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            • #7
              I think this is him 1851 once you look at the census return



              John Hoterild born Warter in Huggate
              Elaine

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              • #8
                Elaine, many thanks.
                Yes, I'm sure that's John in 1851 - Huggate is the next parish to Warter, where John's grandfather was based.

                Thanks also for the Emma/Francis marriage. I had seen that, but haven't managed yet to track forward Francis & wife Emma in census returns to check Emma's birth details.
                I'll have another try today.
                Seems like you've come up trumps again and I'm very grateful.

                Jay
                Janet in Yorkshire



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                • #9
                  I found Francis Simpson & Emma in 1841 census living in Cherry Burton, which is the next village to Etton, where the marriage took place. Francis could well have been bp at Bugthorpe in 1815.
                  Can't find them in later census returns, though.
                  Janet in Yorkshire



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                  • #10
                    I have found a Warter 21 Mar 1841 bp for Elizabeth Simpson daughter of Francis & Emma, abode Etton. Emma Botterill's father lived at Warter, so I'm thinking this strongly suggests the marriage is the right one. Sadly their daughter died aged just 6 weeks and was buried at Cherry Burton. In 1841 they had 1m old Elisabeth Sherwood with them - I think she was illegitimate and perhaps Emma was able to act as wet nurse, having just lost her own child?

                    I'm wondering if the Simpsons moved out of East Yorkshire, or if, perhaps, one of them died before 1851, as I can't get a handle on them post 1841.

                    Jay
                    Janet in Yorkshire



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                    • #11
                      I thought I had it wrong because I couldn't find them after 1851, still looking now!
                      Elaine

                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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                      • #12
                        Thanks Elaine.
                        I go away for a few days at the crack of dawn tomorrow and when I return, my broadband will have been upgraded. The current router will be out of date and so I shall have to sort out a new connection - wish I knew some of the local primary school children lol. So, I could be away for some time:D If anyone adds to the thread, it may be a while before I respond, due either to my holiday or to an enforced absence.

                        Jay
                        Janet in Yorkshire



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                        • #13
                          The only near match I could find was a couple on FMP that were in Canada, thought it was a mad idea but found this

                          Ontario Marriages
                          Name: Alexander Fraser
                          Event Type: Marriage
                          Event Date: 08 Aug 1882
                          Event Place: Hibbert, Perth, Ontario, Canada
                          Gender: Male
                          Age: 35
                          Birth Year (Estimated): 1847
                          Father's Name: Alexander Fraser
                          Mother's Name: Ann Adams
                          Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Simpson
                          Spouse's Gender: Female
                          Spouse's Age: 34
                          Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1848
                          Spouse's Father's Name: Francis Simpson
                          Spouse's Mother's Name: Emma Botteril

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                          son Seth

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                          Francis Selina Simpson



                          1851 New Brunswick

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                          1861



                          1871

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                          1881

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                          Emma's death 1887



                          Francis death 1896



                          and then with the hints there are 2 trees with the info
                          Elaine

                          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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                          • #14
                            Hope I caught you
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                            • #15
                              Wow, just looked in before I go to bed. So pleased I did! Thank you so much for that, Elaine. Well, I really have been given the incentive to get up and running with the new broadband connection on my return Almost wish I wasn't going:D
                              Thank you seems so very inadequate - I really am very grateful for your persistence.

                              Jay
                              Janet in Yorkshire



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                              • #16
                                No worries, happy hols
                                Elaine

                                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                • #17
                                  Thanks again, Elaine, for all the Canada references. I shall start to chase up all of these now I'm back in cyber space, albeit without e-mail facilities.

                                  Jay
                                  Janet in Yorkshire



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                                  • #18
                                    Hope you had a good break
                                    Elaine

                                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                                      Hope you had a good break
                                      Most enjoyable, thank you.

                                      Jay
                                      Janet in Yorkshire



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                                      • #20
                                        I have been doing a bit of chasing up of the children of Francis and Emma Simpson.
                                        Got all excited because a couple of trees on Ancestry have Francis jnr & wife in Kansas from 1880 onwards. However, on checking, I believe the trees are erroneous as I have found Frank jnr in the parental home in Canada in 1881, and single. In 1911 he was recorded in the property next to his brother's home, still single.
                                        I've queried the Ancestry tree with its owner and he thinks he may well have gone astray - he's working backwards from known Kansas descendants, whereas I'm trying to move forward in time for Canadian immigrants.

                                        Jay
                                        Janet in Yorkshire



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