Missing on the 1861 census....

[skylark]

Hello folks,
I am searching for DANIEL OWEN/S (c 1822) & his wife SARAH OWEN/S on the 1861 Census (I have them on the 1871/1881) they were married in 1859 & their daughter ELIZABETH ANN is 10 on the 1871 so she "might" be hiding with them on the 1861. They lived in BAGILLT, FLINTSHIRE, WALES. Daniel was working in a rope works on the 1841/1851 - but on the 1871/1881 census he is listed as an Engine Driver - so I have no idea what his occupation was on the 1861. Any help or advise on how I can find them will much appreciated....many thanks.
Skylark.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Skylark

Don't be misled by the occupation of engine driver. In Victorian times it almost certainly meant he operated a stationary engine in a factory, not, as we would assume now, a railway engine driver. A railway train driver was called a locomotive driver.

I know all this because I spent many years believing my ggf was a locomotive engine driver. He wasn't, he "drove" a stationary factory engine in a mill.

OC

[skylark]

Thank you for that info...I suppose he could have been an "engine driver" in the rope works.
Thanks again
Skylark.

[Chrissie Smiff]

I can't find them in 1861, but as Elizabeth Ann was registered in the Dec quarter of 1859 (Holywell ref 11B Page 252) she should be somewhere too.

[Katarzyna]

Is it possible she was with her grandparents? What their names?
Edit:
Elizabeth Ann b 1860 I mean.

[Guest]

sorry cannot find any of them

[Valice in Wonderland]

Is it possible they lived at the same address? if so you could try searching the address rather than the name. All sorts of errors occur in transcriptions

[Sylvia C]

Have you tried searching on forenames and birth year +/- 2?

[vera2013]

http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/miscellanea/missingcensusrecords.htm

according to this link there are many census records missing for North East Wales for 1841 and 1861. Holywell, Flintshire is on the list for 1861

Vera

[Guest]

thanks for that Vera, I tried again last night, did wonder about that.

[vera2013]

I went to browse Ancestry for Flintshire and wondered where all the reg districts were. Still the exercise is good for the grey matter or so I've been told.

Vera

[skylark]

Thank You Vera - I think you have solved the mystery of why this family are missing on the 1861 - my genuine thanks to all you kind folk who have taken the time to look for the Owen/s, I appreciate your help.
Many thanks to you all.
Skylark.