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    Marriage certificate not available?

    I have found one of my 2x Gr grandparents 2nd marriage entry for 1876 (potentially) on Lanc's BMD, disapointily it says it isn't available. Also his daughter's wedding certificate in 1878 isn't available, which is where i wanted to start to see what it says and to make sure this is the right person and her father. Where else could i get that information from?
    The church where his daughter was married is a mile from me, would there be a chance that they still have the original registers there?
    Any help would be appreciated, but i don't want to state names as i have to make certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwigletNumber5 View Post
    I have found one of my 2x Gr grandparents 2nd marriage entry for 1876 (potentially) on Lanc's BMD, disapointily it says it isn't available. Also his daughter's wedding certificate in 1878 isn't available, which is where i wanted to start to see what it says and to make sure this is the right person and her father. Where else could i get that information from?
    The church where his daughter was married is a mile from me, would there be a chance that they still have the original registers there?
    Any help would be appreciated, but i don't want to state names as i have to make certain.
    Twiglet
    If a marriage was in church then two registers would have been filled out. At the end of the quarter when the marriage took place the vicar should have submitted details copied from the register entries to the registrar - these are the copies that end up at the GRO - you should be able to find the marriage listed on FreeBMD and order the certificate from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ce...es/default.asp
    Once the two registers were full one should have been submitted to the local registrar's office. The other would originally have been retained by the church but ought by now to have been lodged with the diocesan records office (usually this is within the County Records Office) for safe keeping.
    If it was a church with very few marriages it is just possible that the registers are not yet complete and are both still with the church but after 140 years that seems unlikely.
    Other possibilities are that the registers suffered damage or loss (but the GRO copy should exist) or that the marriage was in a register office which has lost its records - but again quarterly returns should have been made to the GRO
    Judith passed away in October 2018

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    The "Not Available" on LancsBMD just refers to there being no direct ordering link from the site to that particular registration district, not that the record is not available at all.

    Yu may also find the information on the Lancashire OPC pages:

    http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
    I am a professional researcher, and ex- deputy registrar, based in Buckinghamshire - please contact me for any help/advice or research via PM or my website www.chalfontresearch.co.uk
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    Have you looked on Freebmd ......... they should have the registrations for those marriages, and it will only cost you £9.25, p&p included, worldwide, to buy the certificates. That actually often works out cheaper than buying from the Registry Office
    St Mary's Church, Bruera, Cheshire. This part of the church dates back to Norman times.
    Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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    Thankyou JudithM, AntonyM, and Sylvia C.
    I found both marriages on Lanc's BMD and on the Lancashire online Parish Clerk. One was a registre office marriage and the other in my local church.
    So it seems i should be able to get both certificates from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ce...es/default.asp ? That's really good to know.
    Can anyone tell me if they are good certificate copies and not the grainy grey copies of some certificates i have seen?

    I realise that the names/birthdates could just be a coincidence, that's what i want to check out.
    Last edited by TwigletNumber5; 04-10-16 at 22:11.
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    All the certificates I have received have been fine. If it wasn't you could always ring and tell them and ask them to check whatever detail you couldn't read.

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    Twiglet

    GRO copies are just that - copies. If you want originals then get them from the local RO. You will have to contact them direct but that's no great hardship, lol. As a purist I would always rather order from the local RO.

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    Thankyou for your prompt replies Chrissie and OC.
    I am now wondering if i could pop into my local register office and order them there, How long do you have to wait if i ordered from the RO?
    But then again the GRO ones would be a cheaper option? (Decisions decisions!)LOL
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    If you live near the County Archive for the area in which the church was you should be able to find the 'certificate' in the parish records for that church there. You could view it free in the Archive and probably get a photocopy for about 50p. You will need to buy the certificate for the Register Office wedding though, as they do not appear in the parish records. That will cost £9.25 from the GRO and a very similar price from the local register office.
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    OC ............

    I now never order from the local Registry Office.

    The first 3 certificates I ever ordered were from the local Registry in 2004 .............

    they cost me as an overseas requester almost 3x what they would have cost from GRO, not including a $3 charge to buy a Money Order for pound sterling, as the local offices would not accept credit cards.

    The local Registry also wanted a stamped addressed return envelope for each certificate or International Money Coupons to cover the cost of postage, at twice the true cost.

    I've since checked it out several times as so many say it's best to get certificates from the local office rather than GRO, and have found it is still the same ......... only the bank charge for the Money Order has increased.

    Plus, many local offices have stopped filling requests for certificates for family history reasons.


    The GRO charges £9.25, including postage and handling.
    St Mary's Church, Bruera, Cheshire. This part of the church dates back to Norman times.
    Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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