Gargan

[Katarzyna]

Ellen consistently gives her birthplace as Walsall, Staffordshire - all the other children are Birmingham. I therefore believe the 1861 and 1871 censuses for the rest of the Gargan family are correct. It is a shame that none of the births were registered and it doesn't look like they were baptised either. As you do not have the mother's maiden name you will never be sure of finding the correct marriage for John and Mary. I have searched each child without surname on Ancestry , Family Search and Find My Past and there is absolutely no sign of them. It is highly unlikely that Gargan has been mistranscribed so badly that we can't find births for any of the 5 children.

[Katarzyna]

Now received 2 death certs. Still not sure if mine. John Garligan 24 November 1978 age 48 Address 3 New Summer Street Birmingham. Informant looks like H Hawkes Coroner 29th November 1878. Hope to be able to get a copy of coroners report if there is one. Cannot find anything on the address???

Mary Gargan 15 July 1889 Workhouse Infirmary, Western Road ???. Informant looks like H Gibbon Matron. If this is my Gt Gt Gran she died in a workhouse like one of her Daughters Fanny. So sad. Still not sure if I am right track though. Not sure what to do now. Help please !!!!!

What does it say in the Occupation section on the death certs?
Usually for a woman it gives "wife/widow of ...." and her husband's occupation.

[Elaine]

Do you think this fits kat?

Bartholomew Caragan c 1857 death reg North Birmingham 1930 6d/430

[Katarzyna]

Looking at the number of ways this name has been mangled I would say yes indeedy!

[Elaine]

Oh goody...and apologies lost track a bit, have we had this one? John Gargia, pre wedding to Bartholomew and Mary Ann

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/4981/40458_316881-00161/3628600?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3dBirminghamParishBaptisms%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dbartholomew%26msbpn__ftp%3dBirmingham%252c%2bWarwickshire%252c%2bEngland%26msfng0%3djohn%26uidh%3daq7%26msbdp%3d5%26pcat%3dBMD_BIRTH%26fh%3d32%26h%3d3628600%26recoff%3d46%26ml_rpos%3d33&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

[Katarzyna]

definitely Gargin on the image.

Name: John Gargin
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Birmingham 6d 89

[margaretmarch]

Oh goody...and apologies lost track a bit, have we had this one? John Gargia, pre wedding to Bartholomew and Mary Ann

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/49...l=ReturnRecord

Looks to me like Gargin not Gargia so very likely yours.

Margaret

[richaj]

Its not helpful at all. The rank/occupation says unknown.My friends theory is that Mary wasnt an occupent of the workhouse but that she ended up there because it had an hospital close to her home.

[richaj]

Thanks for this one too. I will look that one up. Maybe get a copy of the cert.

[richaj]

I think this must be a child born to Bartholomew and Mary Ann. ???

[richaj]

I cannot thank you all enough for your help. This has been driving me nuts for a few years. The spelling of the surname has really made it difficult. I am now hoping that there is a coroners report for John in the hope, that it might give me a clue. I am also going to compile a list of all the addresses that I have for them. When I go to Birmingham I shall try and look them up but I am now beginning to think that I will never find out where in Ireland the family came from. If I do find anything, I will let you know. If you ever need any manuel look ups in Leeds or near by I am happy to do this for you.