Disappeared into thin air?

[ScottyHutch]

The marriage would piece it all together.

I don't have those records, where did you find them?
I'll take a look!

[cbcarolyn]

You seem to have, do you mean someone else, am I on the wrong person? That was the 1861 I found yesterday.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/156848705/person/172138771623/facts

[cbcarolyn]

I think this is Samuel Sharratt:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1795/40020_635001_1563-00089?pid=295313523&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1795%26h%3D295313523%26tid%3D164130072%26pid%3D122136763821%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DSZd25919%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=164130072&personid=122136763821&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=SZd25919&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.24893497.2039023958.1571919486-92375793.1535224975

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1795/40020_611411_1427-00103/283048633?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/164130072/person/122136763821/facts

[cbcarolyn]

on FMP:
First name(s) S
Last name Sharratt
Birth year -
Death year 1876
Death date ? ? 1876
Burial year 1876
Burial date 03 Jun 1876
Burial place St George, Hanover Square
County Middlesex
Country England
Archive
City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain

[cbcarolyn]

there is this to put some doubt from FMP:
First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name SHARRATT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1859


SAMUEL SHARRATT married one of these people


Sarah Slocombe, Mary Hamilton


District Kensington
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Volume as transcribed 1A
Page number 190

[Katarzyna]

there is this to put some doubt from FMP:
First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name SHARRATT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1859


SAMUEL SHARRATT married one of these people


Sarah Slocombe, Mary Hamilton


District Kensington
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Volume as transcribed 1A
Page number 190

I have been searching for a 1st marriage ie a Mary to a Hamilton in case Mary was a widow at marriage Samuel. Cannot find a suitable candidate though.

His children had Weaver as mmn

SHARRATT, CHARLES BENJAMIN	WEAVER
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in ST LUKE CHELSEA Volume 03 Page 39

[ScottyHutch]

there is this to put some doubt from FMP:
First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name SHARRATT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1859


SAMUEL SHARRATT married one of these people


Sarah Slocombe, Mary Hamilton


District Kensington
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Volume as transcribed 1A
Page number 190

That's the thing, Mary Eliza Ann Sharratt fits, but I can't be sure.

I just need to work out who Mary Eliza Ann Rampton is and where she came from?
As George Rampton the ferrier passed away in 1842 and she was born in 1847.

[ScottyHutch]

I have been searching for a 1st marriage ie a Mary to a Hamilton in case Mary was a widow at marriage Samuel. Cannot find a suitable candidate though.

His children had Weaver as mmn

SHARRATT, CHARLES BENJAMIN	WEAVER
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in ST LUKE CHELSEA Volume 03 Page 39

I think that Mary Weaver is the Widow of George Rampton who died in 1842

[cbcarolyn]

Sorry I need to recap :(
confirmed:
1. All three Sharratt children - Charles Benjamin, Mary Eliza Ann and Emma are registered with Weaver as mother.
2. The 1851, 1861 and 1871 are probably all correct for this family.
3. Along with the death of mother Mary Ann 1875 and probably the death of William 1876 as I posted earlier.
4. William Sharratt was a boot/shoe maker.
5. They lived in Chelsea area.
6. Mary Ann Weaver birth and parents, so we know it to be her maiden name and not a married name.

What is not proved/found is
1. a marriage record of Mary Ann Weaver to George Rampton
2. a marriage record of Mary Ann Weaver to William Sharratt
3. daughter Mary Eliza Ann Weaver is Mary Eliza Ann Rampton


Until marriage records found 1 and 2 Mary could be different people?

Proved after name change - all details of Mary Eliza Ann Rampton and her family and now all details of her husband William Hutchings.

[ScottyHutch]

There is also a Samuel Sharratt in the same area married to a Mary that has a daughter Mary Ann with the same age

[cbcarolyn]

...and my recap says William Sharratt - doh! Not Samuel Sharratt

[ScottyHutch]

...and my recap says William Sharratt - doh! Not Samuel Sharratt

I thought you'd found somebody else ?

[ozgirl]

Samuel Sharratt who married Mary Hamilton is a different person. He was born in 1833, but also in Staffordshire, so probably from the same extended family. He was a Carpenter, and he and Mary had a daughter Lizzie in 1860.


https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=17260390

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=7619&h=17260390&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=1623

[teasie]

I'm not quite sure whether this helps, hinders, or adds nothing, but this relates to daughter Sarah Rampton, although the newspaper wrongly reports it as Kampton and names her mother as Sarah.

It states that at the time of young Sarah's death an infant (presumably William Henry Rampton) was dying in the same room the accident happened, and her husband was lying dead grief following a severe disappointment. It also states that her husband had been sixteen years a sergeant in the 1st Battalion of the Coldstream Guards.

The article is from the Morning Post 5 Sep 1842

Sarah Rampton 1842.JPG

[teasie]

A possible for the apparently missing John Rampton born c1833 is in the Army Index for 1851, Service No. 3015, Drummer & Fifer, Coldstream Regiment Of Foot Guards. Location: London & Windsor.

He is in the Garrison Of The Tower Of London in the 1851 census, the same as George Jr, and gives his PoB as Ireland.

Added: John Rampton of the Coldstream Guards buried 9 Nov 1853 Holy Trinity Kensington & Brompton, aged 21

[cbcarolyn]

Samuel Sharratt who married Mary Hamilton is a different person. He was born in 1833, but also in Staffordshire, so probably from the same extended family. He was a Carpenter, and he and Mary had a daughter Lizzie in 1860.


https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871&indiv=try&h=17260390

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...&rhSource=1623

That is good to discount that marriage, thought I had better mention it.

I'm not quite sure whether this helps, hinders, or adds nothing, but this relates to daughter Sarah Rampton, although the newspaper wrongly reports it as Kampton and names her mother as Sarah.

It states that at the time of young Sarah's death an infant (presumably William Henry Rampton) was dying in the same room the accident happened, and her husband was lying dead grief following a severe disappointment. It also states that her husband had been sixteen years a sergeant in the 1st Battalion of the Coldstream Guards.

The article is from the Morning Post 5 Sep 1842

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I read and re read the bit about her mothers name, and can't decide if the comma was removed it was naming the deceased. If Sarah is her name then its not Mary Ann ?

there is this record on fold3 for the son Benjamin also:

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60961&h=296349&ssrc=pt&tid=164130072&pid=122136762693

ame: Benjamin Sharratt
Age: 20
Birth Year: Abt 1851
Birth Place: Chelsea, London
Desertion Date: 6 Feb 1871
Desertion Place: Glasgow
Publication Date: 5 Jun 1871
Regimental Number: 1920
Military Corps: 5th Foot

[cbcarolyn]

Hi All,

Coincidence 2:
After not finding any other links between the 2 I thought I’d try a different approach and see if I could track down the witnesses on William and Mary Eliza Anns marriage record.
These were George and Emily Daykin, after a very brief search I found a marriage record for them in Kensington in 1876 where Emily’s maiden name was listed as Sharratt.

So could Emily and Mary Eliza Ann be related?

Coincidence 3:
I began building out a tree for George & Emily Daykin starting from the marriage record.
Although there are no fathers listed it did say that George was a soldier.
I discovered that George Daykin was a soldier in the Grenadier Guards, as was William Hutchings.
So it’s possible that they both met the Sharratt’s while posted at the London barracks.
This makes me think that I have the right George & Emily Daykin.

do you think Emily is Emma her sister? Did you get an age on her?

[cbcarolyn]

Age fits, as yet not found any records for her after this that matches birth place.
sharratt.JPG

[ScottyHutch]

Age fits, as yet not found any records for her after this that matches birth place.
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You beat me to it.
They appear to all be an elusive bunch!

Also for some reason I can't click on any images, I get an error message saying I don't have permission so I can't read the newspaper article.

"ScottyHutch, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation."

[ScottyHutch]

Age fits, as yet not found any records for her after this that matches birth place.
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Here are the possible census records I found for Emily:
1851: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...35371876/facts
1861: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...35371876/facts
1871: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...35371876/facts
1881: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...35371876/facts
1901: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...35371876/facts