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    Thanks Carolyn :) I have so many Adams...

    Thanks Carolyn :)

    I have so many Adams individuals in my family background - my paternal grandfather's grandmother was an Adams/Piggott by way of Buckinghamshire/Hounslow and my paternal...
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    I second that GallowayLass. Elaine and...

    I second that GallowayLass.

    Elaine and Carolyn, you are both utter champions.

    Thank you so much :)

    Am going to see if I can narrow down when James Martin died - between the 1881 and 1891...
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    Thank you! I remember seeing this record when...

    Thank you!

    I remember seeing this record when I started looking at this branch of the family way back in 2010 and the occupation of "attendant on an insane patient" really stood out - but not...
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    This is brilliant, thanks Carolyn :) Just got...

    This is brilliant, thanks Carolyn :)

    Just got the documents from Fold3 - all about grey-eyed, sandy-haired 5 feet 6 James Martin.

    Now all the more curious to see where they were in 1881 and...
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    Yes, Kat, that sounds spot on. Sarah who is...

    Yes, Kat, that sounds spot on. Sarah who is listed as a daughter in 1871 was a niece - though she did live with them for about 10 years and took on William as a surrogate father after her own father...
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    There are a few infant deaths that could match...

    There are a few infant deaths that could match William, born in 1869 - if it's logical that he died before the 1871 census.

    No sign of Amelia/Emily yet
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    Yes, Elaine I think you are right :) James...

    Yes, Elaine I think you are right :)

    James Martin has always been a bit of an enigma, especially because he doesn't list any parents on their marriage certificate - I wonder if he could have been...
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    Something just occurred to my very slow brain -...

    Something just occurred to my very slow brain - could "Emily" possibly be Amelia Martin, the daughter of William and Caroline's eldest daughter Leah and her husband James Martin?

    Amelia's birth...
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    Thanks all for all the help. Has been a few...

    Thanks all for all the help.

    Has been a few busy days here, but back to searching now. :)
  10. This is from Trove - the Colonial Times Newspaper...

    This is from Trove - the Colonial Times Newspaper - 13th November 1832 - list of convicts granted tickets of leave, including James Ashwell
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    Yes, I think you're absolutely right. :) I...

    Yes, I think you're absolutely right. :)

    I have a trip to the big city tomorrow, but then will be back to chase up Emily Haines again. Thanks for all the help thus far.
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    Haven't found them in 1881 yet - But Caroline's...

    Haven't found them in 1881 yet - But Caroline's brother Frederick Chambers and family are living there in Ordnance Road and not far away are the Cobbs - William who joined the army married Alice Cobb...
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    Thank you Carolyn, off to take a look now, both...

    Thank you Carolyn, off to take a look now, both ancestry and the GRO indexes were having problems here last night. :)
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    Thanks Elaine, great find :)

    Thanks Elaine, great find :)
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    Talking to someone at our local family history...

    Talking to someone at our local family history association today - their grandfather was a William and he had a brother called William Seth. Apparently their father was drunk both times when he went...
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    She was feisty enough to divorce him and sue for...

    She was feisty enough to divorce him and sue for custody of their children on the grounds of cruelty and desertion - when divorce was exceedingly rare. :)
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    yes, Edwin/Edward, Caroline/Catherine and...

    yes, Edwin/Edward, Caroline/Catherine and Emily/Emma, all the same people.

    Not to mention William/Emily born in 1869.

    They certainly weren't thinking of future researchers when they did the...
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    Hi Carolyn Thanks so much for all your help. ...

    Hi Carolyn

    Thanks so much for all your help.

    These are all the children of William and Caroline's marriage that I know about and what I think happened to them :

    William Thomas born 1841...
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    The William baptised in 1864 was actually the son...

    The William baptised in 1864 was actually the son of William's sister Leah - born illegitimate, though his parents later married, but never baptised as an infant apparently - he was about 18 when he...
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    thanks Elaine and Carolyn :) It definitely...

    thanks Elaine and Carolyn :)

    It definitely looks like the second "Emily" has been wrongly registered and then given the wrong name on the 1871 census. :)
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    Yes, Emily/Emma and Amelia, two of William and...

    Yes, Emily/Emma and Amelia, two of William and Caroline's daughters. :)
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    Good idea, thank you :)

    Good idea, thank you :)
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    I've had a look at that marriage and was unsure -...

    I've had a look at that marriage and was unsure - will take another look. Thanks so much :)
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    That is interesting! - thanks so much. Wouldn't...

    That is interesting! - thanks so much. Wouldn't have found that as I don't have FMP.

    William and Caroline called their first child William and he died as an infant and then a second son William...
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    Who was Emily?

    Hi all from a tropical heat wave down-under

    I am trying to locate what happened to Emily, apparently the last-born child of William Adams and Caroline Chambers.

    William was born in 1818 in...
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