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    Help with finding a birth certificate for an adoptee


    #2
    Is that illegitimate cert. one of the two you have already purchased?
    If not, your Gran could well be the one registered in September as J B. Remember that the Sep part of the birth index is only telling you that the registration took place in the September or 3rd quarter of the year. This covers births registered in July, August and September. For a child born in June that would be the likely quarter unless the birth was early in June and/or the mother was very quick off the mark in registering a birth that took place nearer the end of June.
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 02-05-19, 13:19.

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      #3
      Apart from the illegitimate one born in Huddersfield there are two more J B born in 1942 both of them in Yorkshire, same county as the illegitimate one. One in July and one in October. Have you checked those?

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          #5
          Wouldn't the July Birth be Sep registration? and the October one December Registration?
          Does she know the date of her Birth ?
          Last edited by Val wish Id never started; 02-05-19, 14:23.

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              #7
              Don't discount that the mother could have been a married woman with the maiden name of Beaumont or variation. 1942 was during WW2, lots of relationships in turmoil and one night stands resulting in pregnancies. This happened in my friend's case - she was the result of a fling between a married woman and a US airman, who was named on the birth cert. The BC also had the married surname and maiden name of the mother. When a couple of months old, friend was placed in a children's home in another part of the country and eventually adopted at the age of 18 months in yet another authority. By the time I became involved, friend had already procured a copy of her BC through Social Services.
              Janet in Yorkshire



              Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                #8
                Don't want to put a downer on things but it seems unlikely she was given the name Jennifer at birth. Most adopters change the child's forename unless it's an in family adoption.

                OC

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                    #10
                    She should start by obtaining a copy of her adoption papers - they will information about her mother , and possibly the father too. Contact the adoptions services team at her local authority for advice or through GRO :


                    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-birth-records
                    I am a professional researcher, and ex- deputy registrar, based in Buckinghamshire - please contact me for any help/advice or research via PM or my website www.chalfontresearch.co.uk
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                      #11
                      have pmd you

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                        #12
                        You will only know if you could be on the right lines if you receive a BC with "adopted" added to it.
                        My friend and I could only trace her birth relatives because she had previously had counselling and received a copy of her birth certificate. Her two forenames had been changed at adoption.
                        Our search revealed that the birth mother had died, her husband had been killed in the war and we think the birth father had probably returned to the US at the end of the war. That all helped friend make the decision to contact a widowed sister-in-law of the birth mother (we would not be stepping into the lives of, and causing possible upset, for any immediate birth family member) who we tracked through electoral rolls. Aunty knew all about the baby, was willing to meet friend, produced a photo of deceased birth Mum and was able to pass on significant medical information. It was a satisfactory ending, rather than the hope of new beginnings.
                        No way could we have done it without the BC, especially as both forenames had been changed on adoption.
                        Janet in Yorkshire



                        Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                            #14
                            An adopted person has to have a meeting (it used to be called counselling, but that put a lot of people off, so they changed it). The meeting with a social worker is to determine the attitude of the adoptee and what they might be likely to do with any information. The birth parent(s) have an absolute right to anonimity, don't forget.

                            Forgive me if I am wrong, but I am picking up the fact that your grandmother does not know you are doing this and if not, perhaps you should tell her.

                            OC

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                                #16
                                The only person legally entitled to have access to the information in the adoption file (which includes the birth identity) is the adoptee him/herself, it is not made available to a member of their family.
                                There are some adoptees who have not wanted to know about their origins - that is their choice and should be respected.

                                Jay
                                Janet in Yorkshire



                                Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post
                                  The only person legally entitled to have access to the information in the adoption file (which includes the birth identity) is the adoptee him/herself, it is not made available to a member of their family.
                                  There are some adoptees who have not wanted to know about their origins - that is their choice and should be respected.
                                  That hasn't been the case since 2015. People with a "prescribed relationship" to an adopted person also have the right to apply.

                                  http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.../newaccess.htm
                                  I am a professional researcher, and ex- deputy registrar, based in Buckinghamshire - please contact me for any help/advice or research via PM or my website www.chalfontresearch.co.uk
                                  Follow me on Twittter @ChalfontR

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by AntonyM View Post
                                    That hasn't been the case since 2015. People with a "prescribed relationship" to an adopted person also have the right to apply.

                                    http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.../newaccess.htm

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                                      #19
                                      That's a shame ... as I understand it, accessing info on medical history and potentially inherited conditions was one of the main reasons the law (in E/W) was changed. For that reason, relatives can sometimes apply even if the adopted person is still alive and doesn't want to.
                                      Last edited by AntonyM; 03-05-19, 07:29.
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                                        #20
                                        I should speak to your grandmother and tell her about wanting to find where you come from and involve her if she's interested.

                                        It is important to get access to the adoption file even though it could well contain a few inaccuracies - as it could also give a completely different scenario to what your grandmother thinks she knows. My adoptive parents told me what they thought was true but on accessing my file I found that my bm wasn't a Scottish nurse they'd been told by the adoption agency.. Didn't help either that my bm told a number of porkies too.



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