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Trouble finding a birth record Margaret Jane Morris

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    #16
    Originally posted by rebeccawilson100 View Post
    Im not sure, the Birth record i ordered gave a mother name of Alice not Isabella but Alice was also formally a Fletcher.
    but yes i currently believe this to be the wrong record .... but they way my research is going it could well be right. the only thing i have telling me it is wrong is that the fathers name on Margaret's marriage is down as Charles.

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      #17
      Originally posted by rebeccawilson100 View Post
      but yes i currently believe this to be the wrong record .... but they way my research is going it could well be right. the only thing i have telling me it is wrong is that the fathers name on Margaret's marriage is down as Charles.
      According to ancestry the Margaret with the father or Samuel died very young so i doubt this is my relative


      https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource

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        #18
        I've eliminated a Margaret or Margaretta born in the Aberystwith district in 1851. Her father was Thomas and she married William Hughes Jones.
        Elizabeth
        Research Interests:
        England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
        Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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          #19
          Could she be Scottish? Just a thought!
          Elizabeth
          Research Interests:
          England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
          Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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            #20
            Rebecca, you might want to contact the person who has this tree:

            https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Morris-3945
            Elizabeth
            Research Interests:
            England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
            Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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              #21
              From Lancs OPC website:

              Baptism: 25 Jan 1874 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
              George Morris Townson - [Child] of Cornelius Townson & Margaret
              Abode: Clitheroe
              Occupation: Glazier
              Baptised by: G Fielden, Rector
              Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1890, Page 39, Entry 992
              Source: LDS Film 1471152

              Baptism: 28 Sep 1879 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
              Jane Townson - [Child] of Cornelius Townson & Bridget
              Born: 25 Aug 1879
              Abode: Clitheroe
              Occupation: Painter
              Baptised by: G Fielden, Rector
              Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1890, Page 84, Entry 1234
              Source: LDS Film 1471152

              Baptism: 25 Sep 1881 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
              Elizabeth Townson - [Child] of Cornelius Townson & Bridge [sic]
              Born: 2 Aug 1881
              Abode: Whalley Road, Clitheroe
              Occupation: Plumber
              Baptised by: G Fielden, Rector
              Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1890, Page 99, Entry 1308
              Source: LDS Film 1471152

              Baptism: 1 Oct 1882 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
              Emma Townson - [Child] of Cornelius Townson & Bridget
              Abode: Barrow in Whalley
              Occupation: Painter
              Baptised by: C. C. Prichard, Vicar
              Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1888, Page 126
              Source: LDS Film 1471099

              Burial: 6 Aug 1883 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
              Emma Townson - Daughter of Cornelius Townson
              Age: 11 months
              Abode: Barrow
              Buried by: H. T. Hutchinson, Curate
              Register: Burials 1878 - 1891, Page 44, Entry 348
              Source: LDS Film 1471099

              Baptism: 28 Jun 1885 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
              Louisa Townson - [Child] of Cornelius Townson & Bridget
              Abode: Barrow
              Occupation: Plumber
              Baptised by: J. S. Doxey, Curate
              Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1888, Page 141
              Source: LDS Film 1471099

              Marriage: 5 Aug 1899 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
              George Chambelain - 24, Labourer, Bachelor, Whalley
              Harriet Heath - 19, Spinster, Barrow in Whalley
              Groom's Father: George Chambelain, Deceased, Registrar
              Bride's Father: Cornelius Townson, Painter
              Witness: James Chamberlain; Jane Townson
              Married by Banns by: T H Gregory, Vicar
              Register: Marriages 1880 - 1900, Page 119, Entry 237
              Source: LDS Film 1471150
              Last edited by Elizabeth Herts; 15-07-18, 17:40.
              Elizabeth
              Research Interests:
              England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
              Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                #22
                How curious! Banns were read 3 times at St James Clitheroe for Cornelius and Margaret, yet they married at Manchester Cathedral. He is described as of Clitheroe, she is of Manchester.

                OC

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                  #23
                  Burial: 25 Nov 1875 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                  Margaret Jane Townson -
                  Age: 23 yrs
                  Abode: Clitheroe
                  Buried by: I Downham
                  Register: Burials 1840 - 1897, Page 73, Entry 578
                  Source: LDS Film 1471152

                  Burial: 23 Feb 1876 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                  Margaret Jane Townson -
                  Age: 3 mos
                  Abode: Clitheroe
                  Buried by: I Downham
                  Register: Burials 1840 - 1897, Page 75, Entry 594
                  Source: LDS Film 1471152

                  Burial: 6 Aug 1883 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
                  Emma Townson - Daughter of Cornelius Townson
                  Age: 11 months
                  Abode: Barrow
                  Buried by: H. T. Hutchinson, Curate
                  Register: Burials 1878 - 1891, Page 44, Entry 348
                  Source: LDS Film 1471099


                  Burial: 26 Jan 1887 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
                  Bridget Townson - Wife of Cornelius Townson
                  Age: 29
                  Abode: Barrow, Whalley
                  Buried by: C. C. Prichard
                  Register: Burials 1878 - 1891, Page 70, Entry 554
                  Source: LDS Film 1471099

                  Elizabeth
                  Research Interests:
                  England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                  Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                    #24
                    Baptism: 12 Oct 1851 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - [Child] of George Townson & Jane
                    Born: 15 Sep 1851
                    Abode: Grimshaw Street, Clitheroe
                    Occupation: Painter
                    Baptised by: Wm Whitworth
                    Register: Baptims 1839 - 1869, Page 43, Entry 339
                    Source: LDS Film 1471152

                    Banns: St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - This Parish
                    Margaret Morris - Manchester
                    First Reading: 19 Oct 1873; Read By: G Fielden
                    Second Reading: 26 Oct 1873; Read By: G Fielden
                    Third Reading: 2 Nov 1873; Read By: G Fielden
                    Register: Banns 1861 - 1900, Page 50, Entry 100
                    Source: LDS Film 1471152

                    Banns: St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - Widower, Clitheroe
                    Bridget Hargreaves - Spinster, Barrow
                    First Reading: 27 Oct 1878; Read By: Robert Parkinson
                    Second Reading: 3 Nov 1878; Read By: Robert Parkinson
                    Third Reading: 10 Nov 1878; Read By: Robert Parkinson
                    Register: Banns of Marriage 1852 - 1887, Page 247, Entry 254
                    Source: LDS Film 1471150

                    Banns: St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - This Parish
                    Bridget Hargreaves - The Parish of Whalley
                    First Reading: 27 Oct 1878; Read By: G Fielden
                    Second Reading: 3 Nov 1878; Read By: G Fielden
                    Third Reading: 10 Nov 1878; Read By: G Fielden
                    Register: Banns 1861 - 1900, Page 89, Entry 178
                    Source: LDS Film 1471152

                    Marriage: 12 Nov 1878 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - 28, Painter, Widower, Clitheroe
                    Bridget Townson - 22, Spinster, Whalley
                    Groom's Father: George Townson, Painter
                    Bride's Father: Robert Townson, Innkeeper
                    Witness: James Dewhurst; Esther Ann Townson
                    Married by Banns by: G Fielden, Rector
                    Register: Marriages 1861 - 1896, Page 82, Entry 164
                    Source: LDS Film 1471152

                    Banns: St Mary Magdalene, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - This Parish
                    Charlotte Alice Heath - St James Parish
                    First Reading: 26 Jan 1890; Read By: C T Buchanan
                    Second Reading: 2 Feb 1890; Read By: C T Buchanan
                    Third Reading: 9 Feb 1890; Read By: C T Buchanan
                    Register: Banns 1876 - 1900, Page 193, Entry 297
                    Source: LDS Film 1278859

                    Banns: St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - St Mary's Parish
                    Charlotte Alice Heath - This Paish
                    First Reading: 26 Jan 1890; Read By: E Ince
                    Second Reading: 2 Feb 1890; Read By: E Ince
                    Third Reading: 9 Feb 1890; Read By: E Ince
                    Notes: Paid
                    Register: Banns 1861 - 1900, Page 174, Entry 328
                    Source: LDS Film 1471152

                    Marriage: 15 Feb 1890 St James, Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
                    Cornelius Townson - 39, Plumber, Widower, Brownlow St, Clitheroe
                    Charlotte Alice Heath - 38, Warper, Spinster, Brownlow St, Clitheroe
                    Groom's Father: George Townson, Plumber
                    Bride's Father: Robert Heath, Designer
                    Witness: Edward Lord; Ada Louisa Heath
                    Married by Banns by: E Ince
                    Register: Marriages 1861 - 1896, Page 185, Entry 369
                    Source: LDS Film 1471152
                    Elizabeth
                    Research Interests:
                    England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                    Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                      How curious! Banns were read 3 times at St James Clitheroe for Cornelius and Margaret, yet they married at Manchester Cathedral. He is described as of Clitheroe, she is of Manchester.

                      OC
                      I thought they called the banns in both parishes?
                      Elizabeth
                      Research Interests:
                      England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                      Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                        #26
                        It seems that Charlotte Alice Heath had a baby before she was married:

                        HEATH, HARRIET -
                        GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in CLITHEROE Volume 08E Page 318

                        Cornelius seems to be claiming her as his own.



                        Marriage: 5 Aug 1899 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
                        George Chambelain - 24, Labourer, Bachelor, Whalley
                        Harriet Heath - 19, Spinster, Barrow in Whalley
                        Groom's Father: George Chambelain, Deceased, Registrar
                        Bride's Father: Cornelius Townson, Painter
                        Witness: James Chamberlain; Jane Townson
                        Married by Banns by: T H Gregory, Vicar
                        Register: Marriages 1880 - 1900, Page 119, Entry 237
                        Source: LDS Film 1471150


                        Elizabeth
                        Research Interests:
                        England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                        Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                          #27
                          They are on the 1939 Register with Charlotte (Ancestry wants to tell me that this is the 1900 US Census!).

                          https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true
                          Elizabeth
                          Research Interests:
                          England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                          Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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                            #28
                            Ah yes, I am so used to banns NOT being read in Manchester Cathedral I assumed they weren't in this case either.

                            Many many of my family were married in Manchester Cathedral and most of them have mistakes on their marriage certificates so nothing on a Manchester Cathedral marriage certificate can be taken as accurate, in my experience.

                            OC

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Elizabeth Herts View Post
                              It seems that Charlotte Alice Heath had a baby before she was married:

                              HEATH, HARRIET -
                              GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in CLITHEROE Volume 08E Page 318

                              Cornelius seems to be claiming her as his own.



                              Marriage: 5 Aug 1899 St Mary and All Saints, Whalley, Lancashire, England
                              George Chambelain - 24, Labourer, Bachelor, Whalley
                              Harriet Heath - 19, Spinster, Barrow in Whalley
                              Groom's Father: George Chambelain, Deceased, Registrar
                              Bride's Father: Cornelius Townson, Painter
                              Witness: James Chamberlain; Jane Townson
                              Married by Banns by: T H Gregory, Vicar
                              Register: Marriages 1880 - 1900, Page 119, Entry 237
                              Source: LDS Film 1471150


                              Harriet was born in 1880 and Cornelius and Charlotte married in 1890. I think on the marriage Cornelius could probably mean he is her stepfather. Harriet Heath was living with her maternal grandparents in 1891.

                              https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource

                              1881 Census:
                              https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...1%2f0019316874
                              Elizabeth
                              Research Interests:
                              England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
                              Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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