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**Olde Crone Holden** · 09-05-13, 19:20

32 Charing Cross Rd is/was a theatre, Wyndhams. Unlikely he actually lived there unless he was theatre staff/management. The DC ought to give his usual address if he didn't live there.

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**Wor canny Lass** · 09-05-13, 19:48

Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post

32 Charing Cross Rd is/was a theatre, Wyndhams. Unlikely he actually lived there unless he was theatre staff/management. The DC ought to give his usual address if he didn't live there.

OC

Thanks OC. The Information was given by my friend, so I shall take that up with her. I've checked the SCI for deaths and it is registered in St Martins.

Anne

**Darksecretz** · 09-05-13, 20:55

Anne

have you got a current sub to Ancestry? have a look at this.. http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/826...son/6032314536

gives his place of death as Charing Cross Hospital, London, England

**Darksecretz** · 09-05-13, 21:22

I was kind of hoping that I could find them in 1911 to see if it gave an address to track him in the Electoral Rolls.. but the only census I can find him on with family is 1901 and he was in Dulwich with his wife Harriet Jane and various children.

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**Olde Crone Holden** · 09-05-13, 21:46

But Charing Cross hospital (the old one) was never in Charing Cross Road, it was on a corner of the Strand and I think, Agar St.

32 Charing Cross Rd has been the home of Wyndham's theatre since 1903, so if he died there, he didn't die in Charing Cross hospital.

EDIT - maybe he was taken ill at the theatre, pronounced dead at Charing Cross hospital?

OC

**dermotdjt** · 10-05-13, 06:16

The London Cemeteries records may be a good start

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**Darksecretz** · 10-05-13, 07:19

Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post

But Charing Cross hospital (the old one) was never in Charing Cross Road, it was on a corner of the Strand and I think, Agar St.

32 Charing Cross Rd has been the home of Wyndham's theatre since 1903, so if he died there, he didn't die in Charing Cross hospital.

EDIT - maybe he was taken ill at the theatre, pronounced dead at Charing Cross hospital?

OC

maybe OC, I was just going by the ancestry tree, it'd be helpful though to find him in 1911, though I can't spot him at the moment..

**Janet in Yorkshire** · 10-05-13, 08:23

He would have been 59 when he died. The occupation column on the death cert would, perhaps, indicate whether or not he could have resided at the theatre - e.g caretaker. Also cause of death may give some indication as to whether it was sudden, accidental, or a condition which had caused him to be hospitalised. Could you ask your friend for a check on the address given on the cert?

**Janet in Yorkshire** · 10-05-13, 08:44

I can't find any members of that 1901 family in 1911:(

**Darksecretz** · 10-05-13, 09:03

Originally posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post

I can't find any members of that 1901 family in 1911:(

tell me about it Jay :(

**Elaine ..Spain** · 10-05-13, 09:17

Ditto !

**Janet in Yorkshire** · 10-05-13, 09:17

I think it could be because either there is a surname mis-transcription (although I would have expected some of the older boys to have had their own establishments) or, perhaps, we are missing some background info on the family; e.g the dates of the Canada angle. Frederick senior's job sounds interesting and the sort of thing that could have taken him out of the country over census time, but I don't think they would all have gone with him on a temporary basis??

**Darksecretz** · 10-05-13, 09:23

Originally posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post

I think it could be because either there is a surname mis-transcription (although I would have expected some of the older boys to have had their own establishments) or, perhaps, we are missing some background info on the family; e.g the dates of the Canada angle. Frederick senior's job sounds interesting and the sort of thing that could have taken him out of the country over census time, but I don't think they would all have gone with him on a temporary basis??

maybe we need to be casting the net a little further then? praps try looking at passenger lists etc.. I think I found somewhere that Harriet Jane died in Canada, so maybe that is the place to look?

**Elaine ..Spain** · 10-05-13, 09:24

There is a Magdaline Griffin (b1886) shown on the Canadian Passenger Lists - travelling to Montreal Quebec, date of arrival 21 June 1909.
The writing is not clear but looks like she was heading to - brother farmer

**Darksecretz** · 10-05-13, 09:27

there is this one but it is for 1920 and it states that Harriet is joining her sister in ONT canada, though she was detained for some reason..

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**Elaine ..Spain** · 10-05-13, 09:27

1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta

Household of
John H Griffin 25 (head of household - occ. farmer)
Magdeline Griffin 29
Douglas Griffin 24
Grace Griffin 15

Year of immigration for John, Magdeline and Douglas - 1907
Year of immigration for Grace - 1910

**Darksecretz** · 10-05-13, 09:31

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

1910 going to SON a Farmer she has two children with her, it states that Husband is to join later!

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**Elaine ..Spain** · 10-05-13, 09:33

Canadian passengers lists for 1910 show Harriett, Ruth and Grace travelling together.
Frederick not shown - although it indicates "to son farmer - husband later

**Elaine ..Spain** · 10-05-13, 09:33

Snap!

The question is "did he ever go" ?

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