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  • #21
    Isn't Find a grave a compilation of entries submitted by members of the public, rather than uploads of complete parish burial records - transcriptions/filmed images?? I'm not knocking the database at all, as it's a very useful resource, but just because you can't find a record on there in a specific burial ground, it doesn't necessarily mean the burial wouldn't have taken place there. I find the database a bit like MI transcriptions - again a very useful resource, but only a record of who had a gravestone erected in their memory and in that place. So, not a complete list of those buried in that graveyard/cemetery. Also, being commemorated on a gravestone doesn't always mean that the named person was buried there! (As I have discovered over the years!)

    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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    • #22
      Jay

      One of the biggest mistakes I made early on in my research was to assume that because someone was mentioned on a gravestone that they wereburied there. They weren't, they were buried elsewhere with a wife that I didn't know existed. Took me 40 years to discover my mistake.

      OC

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post
        Isn't Find a grave a compilation of entries submitted by members of the public, rather than uploads of complete parish burial records - transcriptions/filmed images?? I'm not knocking the database at all, as it's a very useful resource, but just because you can't find a record on there in a specific burial ground, it doesn't necessarily mean the burial wouldn't have taken place there. I find the database a bit like MI transcriptions - again a very useful resource, but only a record of who had a gravestone erected in their memory and in that place. So, not a complete list of those buried in that graveyard/cemetery. Also, being commemorated on a gravestone doesn't always mean that the named person was buried there! (As I have discovered over the years!)

        Jay
        It's very hit and miss depending on coverage and the presence of a headstone, some register entries appear in cemeteries I've searched but on the whole for internment of babies it's unlikely to come up with many results in my experience.

        I have over 100 burials in one surname at one Lincoln Cemetery but only half a dozen plots have stones, the local FHS have transcribed the burial register and it's also on deceased online. The FHS transcription doesn't have all the register details but plot numbers and address are included so it's a useful alternative to the cost of deceased online. I've found a few illegitimate children (combined with the GRO birth search) through it who were grandchildren/cousins on census returns.

        I've also found plots with a relative buried with up to four unrelated children using the FHS details but there is no headstone so they will probably never appear on findagrave. .
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        • #24
          any further info that you haven't provided on here.
          I can try ..
          and yes, it does depend on people adding the info themselves.

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          • #25
            hi,
            today i have received the certs. the twins were much younger than i thought - they were 10minutes and 30minutes old. The cause of death is listed as premature birth (twin 6months). This has really shocked me as i thought they would have been days or weeks old and some "cause/illness" i didnt think for a minute it would be this.
            **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

            https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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            • #26
              Aw, that is so sad.

              I would think, in the circumstances, that they were probably buried with a random adult, unless the family was quite wealthy. But always worth a search though, now you have a timescale to work with.

              OC

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                Aw, that is so sad.

                I would think, in the circumstances, that they were probably buried with a random adult, unless the family was quite wealthy. But always worth a search though, now you have a timescale to work with.

                OC
                hi,
                yes very sad. i do wonder if they are in the grave of their grandparents robert and mary lackey as robert died in nov 1917 (but they are not named on it)
                **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by yummy-mummy-amy View Post

                  hi,
                  yes very sad. i do wonder if they are in the grave of their grandparents robert and mary lackey as robert died in nov 1917 (but they are not named on it)
                  Amy, are the grandparents buried in a churchyard or council cemetery? if a council cemetery the burial registers will tell you whether the twins were placed in their grandparents grave or not. I have been transcribing some burial registers and they will tell you what the grave number is and which part they are buried in.
                  All too often I am seeing burials of babies and toddlers, it's so sad to see and families that lose three or more children within so many months of an illness. If you know where the grave is and who has authority over it, you can ask to see if they are buried there.
                  Julie
                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                  .......I find dead people

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                  • #29
                    If you can find the relevant church burial register, it may record that the babies were delivered prematurely and baptised by the doctor, "nurse" in attendance, or another adult present. I have come across this in our church registers and also an instance of the delivery of prem twins - one was stillborn, whilst the other lived for 15 minutes and had been baptised by the doctor. Both the baptism and the burials of the two babies together were entered in the registers.

                    Jay
                    Janet in Yorkshire



                    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                    • #30
                      That ws another reason why stillborn or prem ature babies were buried with someone else - if they hhad not been baptised, the ir souls were safe if they were buried with someone who had been baptised.

                      OC

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                      • #31
                        hi, robert & mary lackey (the twins grandparents and my 2nd great grandparents) are burried in the churchyard at west rainton, and the church maintain the grave as the family left them money for the church (explains why it never made it down the lineage!) im in contact with west rainton family history group so i will ask one of them to have a look for me. There wasnt a doctor or nurse present (just the lady from next door)
                        **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

                        https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by yummy-mummy-amy View Post
                          hi, robert & mary lackey (the twins grandparents and my 2nd great grandparents) are burried in the churchyard at west rainton, and the church maintain the grave as the family left them money for the church (explains why it never made it down the lineage!) im in contact with west rainton family history group so i will ask one of them to have a look for me. There wasnt a doctor or nurse present (just the lady from next door)
                          I can see Wills on Ancestry for Margaret Ann (d 1957) and Gardiner (d 1963) leaving quite large amounts of money.

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                          • #33
                            The lady next door could have baptised them if she had been baptised herself, but this would probably appear in the register of course, as a private baptism.

                            OC

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                              The lady next door could have baptised them if she had been baptised herself, but this would probably appear in the register of course, as a private baptism.

                              OC
                              oh right thats interesting. thank you
                              **no point asking the living for help as the dead are more helpful!!!**

                              https://purplerosefamilytree.blogspot.com/

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