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    Licensed Victuallers In 1838

    Hello,

    I would be grateful if I could be pointed in the right direction to find my gt.x 3 grandfather James Piggott who was on my gt x 2 grandfather's wedding certificate in 1838 in Marylebone as a Licensed Victualler. I am trying to find out the Public House where he lived and the name of his wife and children.

    I have searched the net for a list of LV's at that time but no luck.

    With thanks
    jacquei essex

    #2
    Have you looked on the 1841 census, Jacquei?
    KiteRunner

    Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
    (Indigo Girls, "Watershed")

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      #3
      Hi there,
      I checked for James on 1841 census but no luck it looks like he died before then. I have emailed Westminster Archives to see if they have a list of LV's and am waiting for a reply.

      thanks for prompt reply

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        #4
        Jacquie,

        Archive CD Books has produced copies of Pigot's London directories for 1825 and 1839. While the UK operation has closed, there are still affiliates operating in Australia, Canada, Ireland, the Netherlands, and the US. Or perhaps SKS who has a copy could do a lookup for you and see if there's a listing for your man. Unfortunately, the only directories I have are for Devon and Cornwall.

        HTH -

        Tim
        "If we're lucky, one day our names and dates will appear in our descendants' family trees."

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          #5
          In case you don't have the link to hand: Historical Directories
          Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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            #6
            Most of my licensed victuallers had a fair bit of dosh to share out at their demise. Have you checked for a will on National Archives documents on line?

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              #7
              What was the name of your Gt x 2 Grandfather Jacquei? Have you found him in 1841?
              Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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                #8
                I know that the London Metropolitan Archives has licensed victuallers' applications to magistrates for their licenses. Not sure if they'd have Marylebone or whether that would be in Westminster Archives.

                Westminster Archives should have the relevant street/trades directories which would hopefully list this chap and pub.
                ~ with love from Little Nell~
                Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                  #9
                  Hi to all that have replied to my query...I have now made an appointment to visit Metropolitan Archives when I am back in the Uk...but now that I have read all your replies I will have a search on line

                  Sorry for late reply but I could not find the thread again...it seemed to have disappeared...I just cant seem to find my way around FTF...doh!!

                  Thanks again
                  jacquei

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                    #10
                    But you did find it in the end! Let's hope your quest will be similarly successful!
                    ~ with love from Little Nell~
                    Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                      #11
                      Hi Chrissie,
                      James Piggott was not on 1841 census so he must have died between 1838 when he was on marriage certificate for my gt grandfather William Piggott. I assume he was still alive then as it did not say deceased. William was born 1794 so James must have been born about 1765-1770.
                      Thanks for reply Chrissie...guess what I cant remember how I posted this thread...have they altered the forum as I did not have this problem last year.....mind you I think my brain is not as quick as it was...lol !!
                      regards
                      jacquei

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                        #12
                        Hi Little Nell,
                        I found it because it came up again when Chrissie posted her reply....where do the old threads go?? Please??
                        thanks
                        jacquei

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                          #13
                          Jacquei, if you are looking at the forum listing for the Research Advice board then there are several pages, so if you're looking for an old thread then you might have to look at page 2, page 3, etc.

                          If you want to make sure not to lose track of a thread then you can subscribe to it - click on "Thread Tools" and one of the options will be to subscribe. Then if you want to see your subscribed threads, it is one of the options in the Forums drop-down menu on the dark blue bar near the top of the screen.

                          You can also go into your user options (in the user control panel) so that any thread you start or post on will automatically be added to your subscriptions. Assuming that you don't want to get an email every time anybody posts on one of those threads, set the option for thread subscriptions to "no email notification". If you want to unsubscribe from a thread that will be in "Thread Tools".

                          If you can't be bothered with all that subscribing business, we also have a search facility for the forum, again in the forums drop-down menu, where you can search for a particular thread title or starter, or you can look at your user profile and it will have an option to see all posts by that user.

                          Now, getting back to James Piggott (if that was his name, I can't remember now!) When you say he isn't on the 1841 census, do you mean you can't find him, or that you've found the rest of the family and he isn't with them? Because in either case, it could be that he was still alive but is just hard to find on the census.
                          Last edited by KiteRunner; 19-01-08, 15:16.
                          KiteRunner

                          Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh"
                          (Indigo Girls, "Watershed")

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                            #14
                            Jacquei

                            If you click on User Tools tab on top left of this website, and then User Control Panel from the drop-down menu, you should get a list of threads you've posted/started.
                            ~ with love from Little Nell~
                            Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy

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                              #15
                              Thank you so much Little Nell,

                              What I am going to do is to copy your replies into a file and then have a practice, I am determined not to give up. As to James Piggott all I know is that he is William Piggott's father..I dont know who he married or who Williams siblings are. William was born 1794 so I think that James must have been born about 1765-1770. I found out about James from Williams marriage certificate in 1838 In Marylebone which says he is a Licensed Victualler. Iassume he was alive then as it does not say he is deceased

                              Hence I need to find the Pub where he was LV to see if I can find more info.

                              Thanks again
                              jacquei

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                                #16
                                Thanks Kite Runner (I think Kate)
                                Sorry got you mixed up with Little Nell, I have my two grandchildren here and I am having to read my messages in between "Nanna can you get me a drink" and "Nanna where are my Pens?"
                                so reply herewith

                                What I am going to do is to copy your replies into a file and then have a practice, I am determined not to give up. As to James Piggott all I know is that he is William Piggott's father..I dont know who he married or who Williams siblings are. William was born 1794 so I think that James must have been born about 1765-1770. I found out about James from Williams marriage certificate in 1838 In Marylebone which says he is a Licensed Victualler. Iassume he was alive then as it does not say he is deceased

                                Hence I need to find the Pub where he was LV to see if I can find more info.

                                Thanks again
                                jacquei

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                                  #17
                                  Jacquei

                                  If you click on User Tools tab on top left of this website, and then User Control Panel from the drop-down menu, you should get a list of threads you've posted/started.
                                  __________________
                                  Love from Little Nell

                                  reply herewith..with apologies

                                  Thanks Little Nell,
                                  Sorry got you mixed up with Kite Runner...doesnt take much to confuse me...anyway I will try that.
                                  regards
                                  jacquei

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by jacquei essex View Post
                                    Sorry for late reply but I could not find the thread again...it seemed to have disappeared...I just cant seem to find my way around FTF...doh!!

                                    Thanks again
                                    jacquei
                                    3rd from left in the top bar is "Forums". It's drop-down includes "Subscribed threads". You should be able to find your own threads that way, as well as any where you've posted a reply.

                                    Christine

                                    PS - just realised I'd fallen into the old trap of not noticing that there was another page of replies when I posted this!
                                    Last edited by Christine in Herts; 19-01-08, 16:59.
                                    Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                                      #19
                                      Hi Christine,
                                      Your help is much appreciated and I have now got my confidence back with FTF as I was ready to give up on it.

                                      I am so glad to have found such helpful people at FTF.

                                      Well my grandchildren are hovering so I must log off
                                      be back again tomorrow

                                      regards and thanks
                                      jacquei

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                                        #20
                                        Don't assume he was still living

                                        I found out about James from Williams marriage certificate in 1838 In Marylebone which says he is a Licensed Victualler. I assume he was alive then as it does not say he is deceased.
                                        Jacquei,

                                        Just because the marriage certificate does not say deceased, this does not mean that James was still alive in 1838. There are many instances where this was not the case.

                                        Also, do you have reason to believe that James was a Licensed Victualler in Marylebone, or is that just where William was married?

                                        That being said, there is a possible James Piggott death in Marylebone that might be yours:

                                        Deaths Dec 1839
                                        Piggott James District: Marylebone Vol. 1 Page 146

                                        Or if the Registrar and/or informant was unsure of the spelling, there's another possibility:

                                        Deaths Jun 1839
                                        Pickett James District: Marylebone Vol. 1 Page 177

                                        If you look outside Marylebone, there are lots of other possibilities, so you might want to get additional information before ordering a death certificate.

                                        Hope this helps -

                                        Tim
                                        "If we're lucky, one day our names and dates will appear in our descendants' family trees."

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