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    Have you seen that his Will is available to download from the National archives site for £3.45?
    Maybe some more info on there!

    Punchsmum

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      Thanks Pumchsmum! I found it and it just lists him as a gentleman. I think his father might be Walter Bowler of Kinsale but can't be sure. I guess a burial record during that time period wouldn't have much more on it than his name anyway. He is a bit of a mystery. Thanks!

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        Originally posted by akissling View Post
        Thanks Pumchsmum! I found it and it just lists him as a gentleman. I think his father might be Walter Bowler of Kinsale but can't be sure. I guess a burial record during that time period wouldn't have much more on it than his name anyway. He is a bit of a mystery. Thanks!
        Did you not download a copy of his actual Will? It may give you some clues to more information. Mind you, it will probably be difficult to read! The older Wills usually are!
        Punchsmum

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          I was able to get it. Just no clues from what I can make out. It is very interesting and has information about his children (Mary, his only daughter is my ancestor). You weren't kidding about the older wills. While the writing is so neat and tidy it is very difficult to make out some of it!

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            It's a gamble buying a Will. Sometimes it pays off sometimes nothing gained! You never just never know. At least you have it now for your records.

            Punchsmum

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              Helen Brock (bond) passed away in lancashire, Enfland

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                Originally posted by Punchs mum View Post
                It's a gamble buying a Will. Sometimes it pays off sometimes nothing gained! You never just never know. At least you have it now for your records.

                Punchsmum
                The will was worth it to confirm his son and daughter. It is also interesting looking at who the executors were. It turns out one of them signed up his son as an apprentice (he was a surgeon). The kids were under 18 and I am guessing he might have been their guardian. Totally worth the cost so thanks!

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                  Originally posted by Montgomery1 View Post
                  Hello
                  My grandfather first wife died in about 1898. She was born in Scotland. I was wondering if you could find a death certificate
                  His name was William Henry Bond born in Alverstoke in 1861 father Samuel Bond 1839-1899
                  Originally posted by Montgomery1 View Post
                  My grandfathers first wife was Helen Brock born in scotland.
                  Originally posted by Montgomery1 View Post
                  I am looking for the death certificate of Helen Brock born 1862 in Fife Scotland she married by grandfather in India. (William H Bond b. 1862 Born In Alverstoke, Hampshire .Then moved back to England, in 1891 in Lancaster, Lancashire. She died at 36.
                  Originally posted by Montgomery1 View Post
                  Helen Brock (bond) passed away in lancashire, Enfland
                  This appears to be the death registration - found on FreeBMD

                  Name: Ellen Bond
                  Age at death 36 (therefore born c1862)
                  Death registered in 1898 4th qtr (Oct-Nov-Dec)
                  District: Lancaster
                  Volume: 8e
                  Page: 508

                  A copy of the death certificate can be ordered from the General Register Office - costs £9.25
                  Elaine







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                    Originally posted by akissling View Post
                    Thanks Pumchsmum! I found it and it just lists him as a gentleman. I think his father might be Walter Bowler of Kinsale but can't be sure. I guess a burial record during that time period wouldn't have much more on it than his name anyway. He is a bit of a mystery. Thanks!
                    Is there any chance of finding a Will for the supposed father? There might be a clue there to link the names together?

                    Christine
                    Researching: BENNETT (Leics/Birmingham-ish) - incl. Leonard BENNETT in Detroit & Florida ; WARR/WOR, STRATFORD & GARDNER/GARNAR (Oxon); CHRISTMAS, RUSSELL, PAFOOT/PAFFORD (Hants); BIGWOOD, HAYLER/HAILOR (Sussex); LANCASTER (Beds, Berks, Wilts) - plus - COCKS (Spitalfields, Liverpool, Plymouth); RUSE/ROWSE, TREMEER, WADLIN(G)/WADLETON (Devonport, E Cornwall); GOULD (S Devon); CHAPMAN, HALL/HOLE, HORN (N Devon); BARRON, SCANTLEBURY (Mevagissey)...

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                      Originally posted by Christine in Herts View Post
                      Is there any chance of finding a Will for the supposed father? There might be a clue there to link the names together?

                      Christine
                      Thanks for the great suggestion. I was able to find the will of Walter's brother William (a navy surgeon) but not Walter.

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                        Hello Lesley,

                        In my never ending quest into the extended Whitcomb family in Alverstoke & Portsea I have come across another instance of a Catholic involvement thanks to Family Search having transcribed some Hampshire Catholic registers. In this particular case, a brother of my 3g Grandmother, I found both C of E and Catholic records. The family are recorded in the 1841 to 1871 census, the couple being a John Cotten & Lucy + various children. I was curious as to the maiden name of Lucy but found no clue like a marriage which led me to look further. Although the 1841 census had given the ages of the children I like to trace the relavent baptism records, and in this case there appeared no obvious matches until I noticed some Latin looking names in the Family Search list. The first example was:-

                        Lucia Cotton
                        Gender Female
                        Christening Date 01 Oct 1817
                        Christening Place
                        PORTSEA- RC,PORTSEA,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
                        Father's Name Joannis Cotton
                        Mother's Name Luciae Dagwell

                        and as this tied in with the census data I was fairly certain I had got Lucy’s ( Luciae) maiden name. There were similar entries for the other children all christened at Portsea RC mission - except one who was christened at Portsea St Mary’s.

                        As marriages had to made in the established church at the time I searched for a possible event circa 1817, and found this:-

                        Name John Cotten
                        Spouse's Name Louisa Dugwell
                        Event Date 30 Sep 1816
                        Event Place Alverstoke,Hampshire,England

                        There is no further info as to this event, and it may be from a bishops transcript etc, but if on your next visit to the study center you could look to see if there is something more informative?

                        Ray

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                          Hello Ray.

                          Will take a look and see what I can find when I am in town next!

                          Lesley

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                            Hi again Ray!
                            Nipped into Study Centre this afternoon and got a copy of the parish record for you.

                            John Cotton married Louisa Dugwell/Dagwell? Difficult to determine which! By Banns at St.Marys, Alverstoke.
                            Witness were George Burbidge and Nelly? Catherine Kennedy. Possibly Geo Burbidge is a Parish Clerk.

                            Let me know if you want me to scan copy through to you Ray. I know you are good a deciphering dodgy writing.

                            Also had a quick look at the IGI indexes for Hampshire on Fiches but not familiar with them and do not understand them! There were a lot of Dagwells though in Portsea!! Assume this is were you got you information from in the first place.

                            Lesley

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                              Hi Lesley

                              WOW, yes please for a scan copy. "Nelly? Catherine Kennedy", well that just about confirms everything I suspected, Nelly was John’s Sister !!!!!!!

                              Many thanks for the "good news”,

                              Ray

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                                Morning Ray, Lucky I printed off the record then! Will send it to you sometime today.

                                Lesley

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                                  Hello, Lesley, thank you so much for your kind offer.

                                  I'm looking for the Moone family of Alverstoke in about 1600. The will of John Moone in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, says he was born in Berry near Gosport in the parish of "Stoak" in Hampshire. From the FHL site, I know that William Moone and his wife had seven children: Anne, Joane, Emme, Alice, John, Nicholas, and William. Nicholas and William may I have been twins. What I don't know is the name of John's mother. There is a book, Adventures of Purse and Person, which says she was Anne Woodman. I've even found an online genealogy that gives a date of marriage, May 9, 1588, but it gives no source. I can't find a record of this marriage through FHL, nor can I find an Anne Woodman born in time to be John's mother. I have found an Emme Woodman, daughter Edward, baptized in 1570. Anyway, I was wondering if you could find anything about any of these people in the parish records of Alverstoke. I'm thinking the church was St. Mary's.

                                  Thank you so much.

                                  Becky

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                                    Hello Becky,
                                    Not sure I can be of much help with this one apart from checking the Parish Records of St. Marys Alverstoke for the record of the 1588 marriage of William Moone and Ann woodman. I am unable to do blanket searches as they are too time consuming and the records of that era are sometimes illegible and do not contain much info anyway!

                                    Will post on here anything I may (or may not!) find as soon as I can.

                                    Lesley

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                                      Hello Lesley,

                                      Thank you for the attempt. I understand about the illegibility of old records. There is a perish register, accessible through the FHL site, for the part of Isle of Wight County where they settled. I've been able to glean a few things from it about some of their descendants and it doesn't start until the 1700s. That was difficult enough to read. Authentication of the marriage would be great. And whether her name was Anne or Emme, if at all possible. I realize it may not be. In the writing of the time, the names would look very similar.

                                      Also, I would like to know if there is record in the parish of a marriage there between John and a woman named Susan. Say sometime between 1620 and 1635. I know Susan, his wife, arrived in Virginia within a year or two of 1635 via land patent information. I think their three daughters were born in Virginia after that, but can't prove it.

                                      Anything you could tell me would be very much appreciated.

                                      Becky

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                                        Becky, according to Family Search IGI, John Moone married to Susan in Alverstoke in 1633. He died on 12/08/1655 but it doesn't say where. He had 3 daughters Sarah,Susanne and Mary.

                                        Will check out this marriage as well.....subject to being able to find it!!

                                        Lesley

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                                          Hi Lesley - long time no ask!

                                          I wonder if you might look up the details for the following marriage please?

                                          Name: William Clements
                                          Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Nisbett
                                          Event Date: 18 Oct 1869
                                          Event Place: Alverstoke,Hampshire,England
                                          GS Film number: 918908

                                          Thanks for all your help in the past.

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