John S Mussell Should be dead !!!!

[Sheila from Down Under]

Thank you Jess. I have had a reply about Tuneful 's Tony ? it was not him as he opened his tree to me but with 3 people on it , it was hard to tell if not for his e-mail . I will send the rest of my day thinking what to do next. I did find out from Croydon ( over night ) and that the comment about John and the gas oven came from Violet's brother, it was said to my Aunt in front of a room full of other people,my cousin remember it being said (she is 40 years old )when we do not know, so now it is fact ???:o
Sheila

[Jessbowbag]

Or a story that is perpetuated as fact -:D

I just dont know any more.

I have looked and looked for re- marriages of Violet.
All the Mussell activity is very static geographically - in a belt from Surrey to Sussex coast/ a Bournemouth Blob/ Liverpool area /and a bit in Herefordshire.

Nothing in Hertfordshire except Your wedding - did you say you have the cert By The Way?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Thank you Jess. I have had a reply about Tuneful 's Tony ? it was not him as he opened his tree to me but with 3 people on it , it was hard to tell if not for his e-mail . I will send the rest of my day thinking what to do next. I did find out from Croydon ( over night ) and that the comment about John and the gas oven came from Violet's brother, it was said to my Aunt in front of a room full of other people,my cousin remember it being said (she is 40 years old )when we do not know, so now it is fact ???:o
Sheila

Wasn't Tony only on the tree of someone called Anne or Anna? She didn't have his wife on her tree, so she may not know much...I didn't see him on his own tree.

[Sheila from Down Under]

Jess Merry and all
I have found John Samuel Mussell born 14 Aug: 1913 died Brighton 1982 aged 69 Thank you all for the hard work you have put in for me But My Aunt still says he died that way so it is off to the GRO,,, Well next week I will
Merry ---- Tuneful's husband was not on GR but 3 or 4 other's from Brighton with the same name were, so I sent them a message
Sheila

[Jessbowbag]

Jess Merry and all
I have found John Samuel Mussell born 14 Aug: 1913 died Brighton 1982 aged 69 Thank you all for the hard work you have put in for me But My Aunt still says he died that way so it is off to the GRO,,, Well next week I will
Merry ---- Tuneful's husband was not on GR but 3 or 4 other's from Brighton with the same name were, so I sent them a message
Sheila

He cannot have stuck his head in the oven and gassed himself-UK had natural gas by that time and it was impossible.

Just after the war then ...Falklands war maybe?

there was someone called Anna that had A------ G------- in her tree.

if your cousin was 20 odd,she'll remeber him dying I should think, not the story of how he died

[Sheila from Down Under]

Hi Jess I am about to ring the UK so I will let you know what I can drag from them. No I have not got any of their certificates but I will. It should take about 2 weeks form the date I ask on line
Sheila

[Pippa Doll]

I am not sure if this family story helps or not. We were told that one of our cousins was gassed in the war and sure enough when we checked in the nineties on the Commonwealth War Graves Site there was an entry stating that he had been gassed in the war as we expected. Further on in our research we found a marriage and a child by someone of the very same distinctive name. Now as there are only about 200 people in this country with this name descended from 1 person we thought it might be another cousin. Well all certs were ordered the family tree scrutinised and other relatives contacted. It turned out that it was this man and yes he had been gassed but had survived but was 'very simple' after the incident.

[Jessbowbag]

But this bloke had a daughter with his wife in 1950, Pippa , so clearly he came home - must have done a flit then I suppose- shall be interested to hear the story , when eventually it evolves.
I do hope the right man is named as Violets father on the marriage cert, when eventually you get it

[Jessbowbag]

I hate to fling an almighty spoke in the works or confuse the issue but.....

Name: Violet Mabel Handscombe
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bishops Stortford
County: Essex, Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 760

far more likely to have married in Bishops Stortford than your lady

possibility for this girls parents

Marriages Sep 1898

Bardwell William
Chesham Martha
Handscombe George
White Beatrice

B. Stortford 3a 945

[Pippa Doll]

Another family story which just illustrates how the obvious gets changed over time. My Great Aunt's hubby Archie served in the war and was told that they had to amputate his leg. Now the story was that after his operation he couldn't cope anymore and his mental state reverted to that of a child even though he had 2 children of his own and my Great Grandfather basically supported the family financially even though they lived in London as well as his own family in Notts.

Well it turns out the reason that Archie couldn't cope was that he had an anesthetic and was put to sleep ready for the operation and then woke up with his leg still there. They had decided that it wasn't that bad and that they would do him a favour by not amputating the leg. Unfortunately Archie could never come to terms with the fact that it was still there and thought he was hallucinating. He spent the rest of his days playing with trains.

Now you would have thought that as a family story someone might have noticed that his leg was still attached before spreading it through the country?

[Jessbowbag]

Does anyone know any of your Violet's brothers and sisters names?

( could be quite helpful if they do)

just for ref - in case - have time to spare anyway
1901- RG13; Piece: 1300; Folio: 188; Page: 20.
1891 - RG12; Piece: 1108; Folio 211; Page 27;
1881- RG11; Piece: 1421; Folio: 91; Page: 18;
1871- RG10; Piece: 1370; Folio: 108; Page: 38;
1861 -

[Jessbowbag]

I'm obsessed!

Violet M Handscombe marries Frank W Baker = Bishops Stortford 1931 Q3

so somewhere between Q3 1931 and 1947 Frank either dies or clears off somewhere, so Violet can re-marry this Mussell man

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

So Violet b 1926 must have married someone else, later than the Mussell marriage.

I didn't realise she could have married anyone.....I had presumed it was knowm that her husband was John Mussell, but there can't be two of them! lolol

So it's back to the indexes!!

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Here's the right one!!

1950 Q4 Handscomb Violet M E
married Robert H Flint
Croydon 5G 155

[Jessbowbag]

Well done that woman

so Violet Handscomb Marries Frank Baker
then she marries Mr Mussell
The she marries Mr Flint

Do you know what? I searched every ( BEEP ) year for a remarriage EXCEPT 1950 , the very year she gave birth to Tuneful!
AH! Hang on

there is deffo a Violet Mabel Handscome born in Bishops Stortford in 1906 (?)

Is the 1926 ( Croyden?)one a different girl altogether?

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hums a Hum.... Stands in the corner & Rocks a bit
Name: Violet Mary Flint
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1928
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 1997
Age at death (estimated): 69
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Register number: B56A
Entry Number: 140


Jeepers creepers the fog is getting thicker! Why do we do this???

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

No, no, no!!!

Sheila's Violet was b 1926 and married one man named Flint.

The other Violet was b 1906 and married twice and is nothing to do with Sheila

Well, that's what I think!!

Do we have to find a dau for Mr and Mrs Flint and a death in the oven for Robert Flint?

I have looked at births 1951-1955 inc and not found anything......(though I am being talked "at" all the time, so it's hard going!)

[Jessbowbag]

No Idea, lost the plot completely.

didnt Sheila recognise the name Melody? ( Thereafter ''Tunefull'' ) she provided the info about where and when she was born...I think


Shouts for Sheila.................

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Do we know the dau was called tuneful? That would put a spanner in the works!

Do we need a Brighton obsession??

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Cross posted!

I don't know??? But the mother of tuneful was b 1906, I'm fairly sure of that!!

[Jessbowbag]

when i asked for events to narrow the field to search for his death, Sheila said they had the daughter , 1950 in Brighton.

She is also adamant that her violet married in B/Stortford though