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    #21
    Hi Carolyn, no I don't have an 1851 census.. this is as close as anything else I've seen.

    So he was a gardener, then a painter between 1881 and 1901 census, then a gardener again.. if this is indeed all the same family.

    Are there any other sources you know of that may have house occupants listed for the 1800's, other than the census?

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      #22
      there are the reg of electors, I think I may have seen him, but late 1800s.
      Carolyn
      Family Tree site

      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
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        #23
        I guess this is him
        https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...57/edit/record

        https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...54/edit/record

        there are some later ones
        Carolyn
        Family Tree site

        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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          #24
          this Ann Marie baptism says he is a cattle dealer!
          https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...54/edit/record
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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            #25
            Cattle dealer to a gardener to a painter. makes perfect sense :D

            Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
            this Ann Marie baptism says he is a cattle dealer!
            https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...54/edit/record

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              #26
              Good call on this one. I requested the death cert, and it lines up with William Lewis Biggs/Louisa Biggs.

              Unsure what Salter's Lodge is, and again, I fail at interpreting the cause of death
              COL063276_2020-1-WILLIAM_LEWIS_BIGGS.pdf
              Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
              I am quite fancying this death as one of yours too:
              https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...=successSource

              Name: William Lewis Biggs
              Age: 18 months
              Record Type: Burial
              Birth Date: abt 1851
              Death Date: abt 1852
              Burial Date: 11 Aug 1852
              Burial Place: Hayes, Hillingdon, England
              Register Type: Parish Register

              birth would have been March 1851, which seems not obviously found....same time as marriage.

              I feel his first born would have his name.

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                #27
                "consumptive from infancy" so T.B.

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                  #28
                  Wow, learning so many old terms. Thanks for that!

                  Originally posted by kylejustin View Post
                  "consumptive from infancy" so T.B.

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                    #29
                    Had a couple more certs come through. For some reason I ordered the birth cert for Walter but the death cert for Ann Maria. Can't remember what my logic was, but after looking at the death cert, I think I was being a bit hopeful with my original assumptions. It looks like the occupation here is "servant"? So I don't think it's likely to be the same father (William Lewis).

                    COL063714_2020-1-ANN_BIGGS.pdf

                    I think that Walter is a pretty good match (fathers name, mothers name, location). Just the mothers surname that has been recorded incorrectly as Aldridge (hopefully).

                    COL063427_2020-1-WALTER_BIGGS.pdf

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by pearlyred View Post
                      Good call on this one. I requested the death cert, and it lines up with William Lewis Biggs/Louisa Biggs.

                      Unsure what Salter's Lodge is, and again, I fail at interpreting the cause of death
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                      and a salesman! wonder what he was selling
                      Carolyn
                      Family Tree site

                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                        #31
                        ...I suppose a salesman same as a dealer - so maybe the same occupation.

                        The Kensington one doesn't look correct like you say, also no 'Lewis' included which he seem to use.
                        Carolyn
                        Family Tree site

                        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                          #32
                          It's tough as some of the later certs for his children with Amelia (which I'm sure are correct, ie. Leonard Edgar) have him as just William Biggs also.

                          Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
                          ...I suppose a salesman same as a dealer - so maybe the same occupation.

                          The Kensington one doesn't look correct like you say, also no 'Lewis' included which he seem to use.

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by pearlyred View Post
                            It's tough as some of the later certs for his children with Amelia (which I'm sure are correct, ie. Leonard Edgar) have him as just William Biggs also.
                            I can see that there is a baptism for Ann Marie, and she is not in the next census, so like you say something has happened to her. the next son was the one born in Kensington, so maybe it is her.
                            Carolyn
                            Family Tree site

                            Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                            Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                              #34
                              I got some new certs through for some of the earlier children for William and Louisa.. I've gone around in circles so many times with this family I feel like I've forgotten what I was trying to work out! I almost feel like I need to just start again with this lot. Maybe the William Lewis Biggs I want isn't the one that married Louisa? Maybe all of this is a different family/families?

                              1851 - William Lewis Biggs marries Louisa Aldred - Langley Bucks

                              1852 - Birth of Ann Maria Biggs - Uxbridge Midx
                              + Mother: Louisa Biggs formerly Aldred
                              + Father: William Lewis Biggs - Salesman - Salters Lodge, Hayes Midx

                              1852 - Baptism of Ann Maria Biggs - Hayes Midx
                              + William Lewis & Louisa Biggs, Cattle Dealer

                              1853 - Birth of Walter Biggs - Hounslow Midx
                              + Mother: Louisa Biggs formerly Aldridge
                              + Father: William Lewis Biggs - Dealer - Hillingdon Heath

                              1854 - Death of Ann Maria Biggs age 2 - Kensington Midx
                              + Father: William Biggs - Servant - Kensington Midx (same address as death of Walter)

                              1854 - Death of Walter Biggs age 1 - Kensington
                              + Father: William Biggs - Servant - Kensington Midx (same address as death of Ann Maria)

                              1855 - Birth of Arthur Biggs - Kensington
                              + Mother: Louisa Biggs formerly Aldred
                              + Father: William Lewis Biggs - Police Constable!! - Kensington Midx (same address as death of Ann Maria & Walter)

                              1857 - Birth of Charles James Biggs - West Drayton, Midx
                              + Mother: Louisa Biggs formerly Aldred
                              + Father: William Lewis Biggs - Painter - West Drayton

                              1861 - Birth of Selina Biggs - Uxbridge
                              + Mother: Louisa Biggs formerly Aldridge
                              + Father: William Lewis Biggs - Gardener - Uxbridge

                              1864 - Birth of William Lewis Biggs - Croydon
                              + Mother: Louisa Biggs formerly Aldridge
                              + Father: William Lewis Biggs - Grocer - Croydon

                              1865 - Birth of Ellen Biggs/Aldridge - Brentford
                              1867 - Birth of Frederick Biggs/Aldred - Brentford
                              1868 - Birth of Thomas Clent Biggs/Aldred - Brentford

                              Ann Maria is born to Louisa Aldred, so I have to think this is the correct child. If that's the case, then Walter must also be theirs, as they both die at the same address 2 days apart. Unless.. both deaths plus the birth of Walter are unrelated to this family. But then the question is, where did Ann Maria go?

                              Then Arthur comes along.. same address as the two children that died. Parents names match perfectly.. but William is now a police constable?? Then painter, grocer.. I think it's clear there is more than one family here!

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                                #35
                                Haven't read the whole thread, but I just wanted to say don't take too much notice of the various different occupations. To me, this looks like a man taking any work he can get, on a casual basis perhaps, and really the records only reflect what work he did most recently. I have several instances in my own tree of wildly different occupations for one man, example being a paper factory owner employing 300 hands, next census he is a sweet shop owner, then an oilman, then a gardener. Definitely the same man throughout.

                                OC

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                                  #36
                                  I have no specialist knowledge in careers in that era, but to my mind none of them require special skiils eg from years of training, and could easily have drifted around. the police man could be that he did it and was soon booted out, just been reading the wiki page!

                                  seems that the mothers name is so the same, in the census do you have a bunch of them at each snapshot, maybe a closer scrutiny? - just not those that died in infancy? any school records?

                                  i assume 'grocer' could just mean he worked in a grocers shop, he is the one telling registrar what he does.
                                  Carolyn
                                  Family Tree site

                                  Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                  Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                    #37
                                    just crossed posts with OC, so we are on same page on thinking!
                                    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 15-02-20, 08:50.
                                    Carolyn
                                    Family Tree site

                                    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                      #38
                                      Still not able to find a marriage between William Lewis Biggs and Amelia Groves..

                                      Can anyone else see anything? According to 1911 census, it could be somewhere around 1868.

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                                        #39
                                        I've tried 10 years either side of 1868 with various combinations eg BIGGS/GROVES, BIGGS/Amelia and also drawn a blank.

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                                          #40
                                          I wonder if they got married, there must be plenty that just say they are. Especially as she must have been pregnant fairly soon after the death of his first wife.

                                          I tried Briggs too, and tried without Groves in case she had been married before.
                                          Carolyn
                                          Family Tree site

                                          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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