I too have an enquiry on a relative , born 1904 at Henley Oxfordshire , an Alfred John Blackall , I have no details on any ancestral family , as he was an orphan......would anyone have any records for him ? blackhall-genealogy.org.uk/orphans/ENGLAND_ORPHANS_REMAINDER.html
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I assume he is the boarder here:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...QaAidAEALw_wcBName:
Alfred John BlackallAge in 1911: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Boarder
Birth Place: Henley On Thames, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Chilton
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Nr Waldingfield, White House, Chilton, Sudbury, Suffolk
Are there records on why he was placed there, were there any connections with Suffolk? I guess they were just 'foster' parents as there is another boarder with them. (both ages mistranscribed on Ancestry)
Charles Thomas Wootten 54
Kate Levina Wootten 56
Alfred John Blackall 6
Frederick William Gisbern 6Carolyn
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How sure are you that Alfred was born 1904. Do you have later records of him apart from the link you gave.
It's just that I have just seen this which seems odd???
Alfred John Blackall 14 abt 1897 Inmate Male Henley, Oxfordshire, England Chelmsford Essex England The Essex Industrial School And Home For Destitute Boy's, Rainford Road, Chemsford school Part Time Chelmsford
Edit: he is with his parents and siblings on 1901 census in Henley.BLACKALL, ALFRED JOHN mmn CLEMENTS GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in HENLEY IN THE COUNTIES OF OXFORD AND BUCKINGHAM Volume 03A Page 804
Last edited by Katarzyna; 08-10-19, 23:38.Kat
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the site that the list is on says:
"Clarification on the use of the term 'orphans', I had an e-mail from a rather irate/upset fellow family researcher stating that his/her relation was not an orphan as she knew who the parents were I only use this term as they are people I know about but I do not know enough about them to include them in my family file.
There are two tables for Blackhalls/Blackalls in England.
The first covers Northumberland & Durham,as I have found that most of these originate from Scotland.
The second covers the remainder of the English counties.
(the counties are named using the standard Chapman codes)
If anyone can fill in the blanks for any of the people listed please contact me"
I note that there is an NG on the entry, but have been unable to find what it means.
His parents may not be dead, although the fact that he is on his own in Suffolk is not looking to good,
Have you got the birth certificate or even a marriage certificate that might give more clues on his parents?
There is an Alice Blackall that died in (late) 1911 in Henley, she could have been unable to look after the child before her death
Name: Alice Blackall
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 25
Registration district: Henley
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1015Carolyn
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That list looks more like a One Name Study
From Post #6:
Blackall Alfred John (no mother's maiden name)
Henley 3a 1006
Jun 1904
You need to buy this birth certificate from GRO - you only need to register once.
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Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View PostGwyn
You must have his mother's name from his birth certificate though. What is it please?
OC
do you think I should order one ,
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Re post#7
Ephraim Blackhall married Mary Clements.
sept qtr 1871 Cookham
They had a son Alfred John Blackall b1897 Henley
BUT also another son:
BLACKALL, EPHRAIM WALTER mmn CLEMENTS
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in COOKHAM Volume 02C Page 409
He married Alice Lloyd in 1906
Ephraim and Alice marriage.jpg
Mary dies late 1911 as Carolyn noted.
1911 census shows Ephraim Walter and Alice with 2 children born after marriage (Blackalls) and another child, Marie Lloyd:
So Marie (a Lloyd) 1905 born after Alfred (a Blackall) 1904. Seems odd I know, one would expect Marie to have been named a Blackall too but I'm sure it all ties in somewhere!LLOYD, MARIE - GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in HENLEY IN THE COUNTIES OF OXFORD AND BUCKINGHAM Volume 03A Page 1014
It is obvious that something occurred that put BOTH the Alfred John's into institutions. (Uncle and perhaps nephew?)
Alfred John Blackall b 1897 is with his parents here in 1901:
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I did have a search around the newspapers, I will have another look later, I had found a couple about non attendance of school Alfred in post 7
didn't think they were much help, they have other articles 'problems' documented before 1900.
Henley & South Oxford Standard 11 June 1909.JPG
Henley & South Oxford Standard 24 April 1908.JPGCarolyn
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Post #13 - the only time a mother's name would not be on a birth certificate would be if the child was a foundling. I can't think of any other reason, so you need that birth certificate.
As Kat points out, the Blackall site is a One Name Study and the "orphan list" is just a list that the compiler has made of Blackalls for whom he needs parents names. It doesn't mean they are orphans.
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI did have a search around the newspapers, I will have another look later, I had found a couple about non attendance of school Alfred in post 7
didn't think they were much help, they have other articles 'problems' documented before 1900.
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I have asked for Mary in this passage from post 14 to be changed to ALICE; (I have had Mary this and Mary that all day on postings - feeling confused)
1911 census shows Ephraim Walter and Mary with 2 children born after marriage (Blackalls) and another child, Marie Lloyd:
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=51704997Kat
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Another here:
Henley & South Oxford Standard 23 September 1910.JPG
Ephraim and his daughter Mrs Susan Tombe
The Blackalls feature heavily in the paper!Last edited by cbcarolyn; 11-10-19, 22:11.Carolyn
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an article about Alice, certainly looks like she was unable to care for her family
Henley & South Oxford Standard 07 April 1911b.pngCarolyn
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just realised that is the elder Ephraim, as there is another similar one in the Henley & South Oxford Standard 21 July 1911 stating she is living at her sons, and he is still not providing maintenance.
she left with a salvation army officer, would they be involved with placing children in homes?Last edited by cbcarolyn; 11-10-19, 23:21.Carolyn
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