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    #41
    I have the family as this in 1881 census - but doesn't seem to be helping
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...30209440/facts

    Father is a Stonemason


    Silas Beaver
    Age
    40
    Name
    Lavina Beaver
    Age
    33
    Name
    William Beaver
    Age
    19
    Name
    Clara Beaver
    Age
    12
    Name
    Silas J. Beaver
    Age
    10
    Name
    Joseph Beaver
    Age
    8
    Name
    Ellen F. Beaver
    Age
    2
    Name
    Albert Beaver
    Carolyn
    Family Tree site

    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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      #42
      The family are in Lambeth in 1871.

      Silas J 31 Mason
      Mary 30 1st wife
      Rosa 11
      Henry W 9
      Clara J 3
      Silas J 9/12

      ?Hanson Cottage Lambeth

      Possible m for Joseph

      Headley, Southampton
      06/09/1915

      Joseph Beaver B 28 a Hawker, abode Lindford
      Close f William Beaver Hawker

      Florence Deane 25 S same abode f James Deane Hawker

      Both left their mark

      Witnesses William Gamblin, Alice Heather

      Vera
      Last edited by vera2013; 16-09-19, 13:34.

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        #43
        Nice find Vera. His army records are also online under 30388 and 97875. Looks a good match, except for the age :/

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          #44
          Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
          The family are in Lambeth in 1871.

          Silas J 31 Mason
          Mary 30 1st wife
          Rosa 11
          Henry W 9
          Clara J 3
          Silas J 9/12

          ?Hanson Cottage Lambeth

          Possible m for Joseph

          Headley, Southampton
          06/09/1915

          Joseph Beaver B 28 a Hawker, abode Lindford
          Close f William Beaver Hawker

          Florence Deane 25 S same abode f James Deane Hawker

          Both left their mark

          Witnesses William Gamblin, Alice Heather

          Vera
          I have looked at that marriage a couple of times and dismissed it, I felt it wasn't fitting with occupation.
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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            #45
            He looks to be on the 1939 hop picking. With Florence and children. They are transcribed separately on FMP Altered dates of birth a bit confusing. OP would hopefully be able to confirm.

            Vera

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              #46
              Possible marriage for daughter Phoebe:
              2 Jun 1936 at Beckford, Worcestershire
              Walter Smith 30 Coal Merchant, Mill Corner, North Warnborough, Hampshire. Father: Henry Smith, Haulage Contractor
              Phoebe Beaver 23 Rabbit Lane, Beckford. Father Joseph Beaver, General Dealer
              Witnesses, Joseph, Henry, Emily & Florence Beaver, and Amy Smith

              I can only see two people named Phoebe Beaver/Beever born at the tight time, and the other one was Phoebe M Beever in Yorkshire, who appears to also marry there.

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                #47
                Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                He looks to be on the 1939 hop picking. With Florence and children. They are transcribed separately on FMP Altered dates of birth a bit confusing. OP would hopefully be able to confirm.
                Where are they? Phoebe (Smith) is in Hartley Wintney, Hampshire

                ADDED: Its OK, found them in Ledbury, Herefordshire.
                Last edited by teasie; 16-09-19, 14:50.

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                  #48
                  If correct, they are in Rabbit Lane Beckford, Gloucs electoral reg

                  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...793.1535224975

                  which could then be his death in 1962 in Cheltenham, age 74
                  Carolyn
                  Family Tree site

                  Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                  Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                    #49
                    I think that's right.

                    Interesting that son Edward was born in Alton 1922, which is where Ellen was recorded as living in that 1924 newspaper article I posted.

                    There is a tree online with photographs of Edward. It seems a little confused about Joseph’s background, but has him marrying again in 1950 & dying in Cheltenham in 1962.

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                      #50
                      I have seen the tree with him remarrying in 1950, but they start him in Tyldesley, you can find Joseph from Tyldesley in 1911 census with his wife Honor
                      https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...65&usePUB=true

                      So think the end of his life is not the start!
                      Carolyn
                      Family Tree site

                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                        #51
                        Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                        The family are in Lambeth in 1871.

                        Silas J 31 Mason
                        Mary 30 1st wife
                        Rosa 11
                        Henry W 9
                        Clara J 3
                        Silas J 9/12

                        ?Hanson Cottage Lambeth

                        Possible m for Joseph

                        Headley, Southampton
                        06/09/1915

                        Joseph Beaver B 28 a Hawker, abode Lindford
                        Close f William Beaver Hawker

                        Florence Deane 25 S same abode f James Deane Hawker

                        Both left their mark

                        Witnesses William Gamblin, Alice Heather

                        Vera
                        ++++
                        http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/headley/maphead.jpg

                        If his abode was Lindford then it is Headley which is not far from Alton or the other places they were in. (I used to live there). Lindford is just down the road from Headley and was part of the parish of Headley then.

                        Caroline
                        Caroline's Family History Pages
                        Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others. Socrates

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                          #52
                          In 1901 on FMP

                          There is a Joe Beaver lodging with other Travellers/Hawkers in Reigate at 10 Nutley Lane.
                          Also there
                          William Beaver 27
                          Emily Beaver 26

                          Possibly William and Ellen but dob way out

                          Vera

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                            #53
                            His military records are on FMP:

                            https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...31%2f55%2f1066

                            Marriage
                            Florence Deane Headley Park 6.9.15
                            Present address
                            Hxxx Lane Cottage, White Waltham, Maidenhead, Berks
                            Children
                            first two - illegitimate:
                            Joseph 9.3.10 Farnham
                            Phoebe 1.3.13 Bognor
                            Henry 14.12.15 Tadley


                            The pages of his service are very faint. He did survive the war though.
                            Caroline
                            Caroline's Family History Pages
                            Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others. Socrates

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                              #54
                              if you follow the elec registers Gloucester - Cheltenham, there is a Joseph Beaver on his own, and then he is with Doreen in 1960s, if he is our man.

                              Not checked all of the addresses, to see if the same Priory street in 1945, Windrush Road 1962
                              Carolyn
                              Family Tree site

                              Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                              Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                #55
                                Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                In 1901 on FMP

                                There is a Joe Beaver lodging with other Travellers/Hawkers in Reigate at 10 Nutley Lane.
                                Also there
                                William Beaver 27
                                Emily Beaver 26

                                Possibly William and Ellen but dob way out

                                Vera
                                That looks interesting - I guess ages could be all over place as entries appear to be a bit 'made up'! perhaps enumerator guessed!
                                Carolyn
                                Family Tree site

                                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                  #56
                                  The miiltary records are also on Ancestry:

                                  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
                                  Caroline
                                  Caroline's Family History Pages
                                  Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others. Socrates

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                                    #57
                                    Hastings and St Leonards Observer 29 Sep 1906 mentions Joseph Beaver, Hop Picker

                                    There are various newspaper articles in Cheltenham mentioning Joseph Beaver, including giving out balloons from a lorry in exchange for old rags. He can’t read or write. Another article says he is a scrap dealer of 30 King Street, Cheltenham, and prior to that he is described as a green grocer. In 1934 he is a general dealer of White Walton, near Maidenhead. In 1943 when charged with misuse of petrol he said he was in town placing flowers on the graves of his wife & son, but the only death I can find for a Florence Beaver is 1953, Cheltenham, aged 66

                                    Looking for the Beaver/Dean children:
                                    Joseph 1910 – possibly died 1935 Evesham, Worcestershire
                                    Henry 1915 - by 1939 has possibly become Harry and is living in ‘Tent Caravan’ Amesbury R.D., Wiltshire
                                    John James 1920 - buried 28 Feb 1924 White Waltham, aged 3
                                    Edward 1922 – with parents in 1939. Died
                                    Emma E 1925 – possibly the redacted child in 1939. No idea after that.
                                    Charlie 1929 – died (as Charley Beaver) in Bradfield Berkshire

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                                      #58
                                      Interesting that Albert Edward/Edward Albert (496540) was in the Army Veterinary Corps, and this was also Joseph's preference.

                                      Also Joseph're records mention being a Wire Worker (one of the brother's occupations in 1939, cant remember which - possibly the one in Sheffield) and also being a Marine Store Dealer, which is basically another word for scrap man / rag & bone man (I have them in my family)

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                                        #59
                                        Ooh, well done you lot, I've been out all day, excellent findings.

                                        OC

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                                          #60
                                          I have seen a greengrocer and moss gatherer....where I am not sure now. Probably a red herring!

                                          Great article.
                                          Carolyn
                                          Family Tree site

                                          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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