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    #41
    Originally posted by Holly View Post
    I've tried comparing the Signature of his Attestation Form, to my Grandfather's Signature on the 1911 Census.

    They look very similar to me!

    Holly.[ATTACH=CONFIG]20164[/ATTACH]
    This is the signature of Richard's father who was vouching for his son so you cannot compare.
    Kat
    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/katarzyna1234/my-own-cards/

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      #42
      So on the marriage to your grandmother Margaret Rees what does William James Wilson give for the name and occupation of his father?
      Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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        #43
        On his Marriage Cert, in June 1893, my Grandfather gives his Father as:

        'William Wilson (Deceased) Occupation Mason'.

        The problem is that I've never been able to find them together. I've never found a definate for William James Wilson's Father, - the names are too common and there is too little to go on.

        There's no problem with finding my Grandfather after his Marriage, - he just doesn't seem to exist before then!

        Holly.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
          This is the signature of Richard's father who was vouching for his son so you cannot compare.
          I find it difficult to believe that a man didn't have to sign for himself as well?

          Holly.

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            #45
            The first page shows Richard junior never signed his attestation - I have never seen that before - really odd.
            Kat
            https://www.pinterest.co.uk/katarzyna1234/my-own-cards/

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              #46
              William James Wilson
              Military Service
              1914
              Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales
              44
              South Wales Borderers
              14215
              3rd Battalion
              1870
              Milton, Cumberland, England
              source Family search
              Last edited by Katarzyna; 17-07-19, 10:29. Reason: additional info
              Kat
              https://www.pinterest.co.uk/katarzyna1234/my-own-cards/

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                #47
                Humm! not him this is the one on Ancestry:
                https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource

                Married Mary Shill.
                Thought I had him there - living and marriage in Swansea !!!
                Last edited by Katarzyna; 17-07-19, 10:38.
                Kat
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Holly View Post
                  [ATTACH=CONFIG]20165[/ATTACH]
                  Where was this 1911 census? Do you have the ref or URL for it? I cannot seem to find it :(
                  Kat
                  https://www.pinterest.co.uk/katarzyna1234/my-own-cards/

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                    #49
                    This is Richard Kean's (the younger) Signature on the Attestation Papers.

                    You are correct Kat, - the Signature that I had Posted was his Father's.

                    Holly.Richard Kean66.jpg

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                      #50
                      Now, - to return to William James Wilson.

                      This is him on the 1911 Census:

                      WmJasWilson1911small.jpg

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                        #51
                        To summarise...

                        William James Wilson says he was Born in Manchester in 1860.

                        Richard Kean was Born in Manchester in 1860/'63.

                        William James Wilson cannot be found anywhere before he Married Margaret Rees in Swansea in 1893.

                        Richard Kean is in Manchester, employed as a 'House Painter' on the 1881 Census.

                        Richard Kean is on the 1891 Census for Kent, as a Sapper in The Royal Engineers.

                        Richard Kean is nowhere to be found after that.

                        William James Wilson pops up as a House Painter in Swansea in 1893.

                        There is another William James Wilson, (Born 1865, Kent) on the 1891 Census for Swansea.

                        That William James Wilson Married Mary Shill and they have a child called 'William Havelock Wilson'. That child Dies in Infancy.

                        William James Wilson and Margaret Rees, (my Grandparents) Marry, and have a child called 'William Havelock Wilson (1894 - 1974).

                        My thought is that Richard Kean went AWOL, (or deserted) from the Royal Engineers. He knew the 'other' William James Wilson from Kent, and also went to Swansea...

                        Finally, - I have never been able to find my Grandfather before his Marriage, BUT, - I have DNA Matches to Richard Kean's wider family!!

                        Holly.

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                          #52
                          Originally posted by Holly View Post
                          Now, - to return to William James Wilson.

                          This is him on the 1911 Census:

                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]20170[/ATTACH]
                          Even enlarged it's still too small to read.
                          Kat
                          https://www.pinterest.co.uk/katarzyna1234/my-own-cards/

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                            #53
                            What is the size limit on Attachments on here?

                            It wouldn't let me attach a full size copy.

                            William James Wilson is at 99 St Helens Road, Swansea on the 1911, I'll see if I can find the Refs.

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                              #54
                              The Reference to the 1911 Census is:

                              RG14 Piece: 32759 Schedule No: 10

                              Holly

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                                #55
                                Originally posted by Holly View Post
                                This is Richard Kean's (the younger) Signature on the Attestation Papers.

                                You are correct Kat, - the Signature that I had Posted was his Father's.

                                Holly.[ATTACH=CONFIG]20169[/ATTACH]
                                Not sure that is Richard Kean's signature Holly. Think his name was entered by another. Strange no signature in relevant space and why did Dad Richard have to vouch for him.

                                Vera

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                                  #56
                                  I don't know Vera:-(

                                  I haven't seen many British Army Attestation Papers, - most of my ancestors were in The Royal Navy.

                                  Holly.

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                                    #57
                                    for those that have ancestry here are the links to the census that I have found - I think they are right, thought it might help
                                    Richard Kean the elder
                                    1841
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...15398086/facts
                                    1861
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...15398086/facts
                                    1871
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...15398086/facts
                                    1881
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...15398086/facts
                                    1891
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...79/edit/record

                                    richard the younger
                                    1881
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...15397343/facts
                                    1891
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...15397343/facts

                                    1901
                                    William wilson
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...14851492/facts

                                    1911
                                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...14851492/facts

                                    There does seem to be a Richard Kean in Salford and did notice one of his children was born in Hulme - he does seem to be the wrong age too
                                    Carolyn
                                    Family Tree site

                                    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                      #58
                                      Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                      Not sure that is Richard Kean's signature Holly. Think his name was entered by another. Strange no signature in relevant space and why did Dad Richard have to vouch for him.

                                      Vera
                                      I thought that it odd that his Dad had to vouch for him at that age, but as never seen this sort of thing before thought it was usual.
                                      Carolyn
                                      Family Tree site

                                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                        #59
                                        Thanks for Posting all of those Links Carolyn, - much appreciated.

                                        This is a PDF File of my Grandfather's Invention, 'The Wilson Air Purifier'; which made me wonder if he'd spent time in The Royal Engineers.

                                        Holly.
                                        Attached Files
                                        Last edited by Holly; 17-07-19, 16:57.

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                                          #60
                                          very interesting, doesn't appear to be something the average painter would do
                                          Carolyn
                                          Family Tree site

                                          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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