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    James Jack Esq. Glasgow

    I'm looking for some help with the above person from someone who would know a bit more about Scottish research than me. My 3x great grandfather (Leslie Rankin) married the Daughter of James Jack in 1848 in Garvagh, County Londonderry, Ireland, she was called Margaret. A newspaper posting recording the marriage states that Margaret was the daughter of James Jack Esquire of Glasgow. On the marriage certificate it states James Jack was a 'steward' and that the daughters address was 'Ballintemple' a townland near Garvagh in Ireland. Important to note that Margaret died in 1867 aged 44, making her birth date somewhere between 1822 and 1823.

    I'm just struggling to locate James Jack, as there are so many people with that name in Scottish census returns. I don't think James moved to Ireland at all because there are no death records for him here.

    Anybody that can add a little clarity to my research would be most welcome.

    Thank you.

    #2
    I think this your Margaret’s baptism on Scotland’s People.

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      #3
      These are all the baptisms to James JACK and Ann BOWMAN. Hopefully one of them will have had a post 1855 marriage which would give you more details about the parents.

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      JAMES
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR4372 (FR4372)
      Gender
      M
      Date
      20/12/1830
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      330 64
      Parish
      Glasgow

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      THOMAS
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR3881 (FR3881)
      Gender
      M
      Date
      23/08/1824
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      310 435
      Parish
      Glasgow

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      ANN
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR4033 (FR4033)
      Gender
      F
      Date
      02/07/1826
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      320 159
      Parish
      Glasgow

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      ELIZABETH
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR4177 (FR4177)
      Gender
      F
      Date
      20/08/1828
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      320 445
      Parish
      Glasgow

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      JANET
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR5100 (FR5100)
      Gender
      F
      Date
      21/12/1837
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      350 137
      Parish

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      JEAN
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR4622 (FR4622)
      Gender
      F
      Date
      16/08/1833
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      330 562
      Parish
      Glasgow

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      MARGARET
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR3626 (FR3626)
      Gender
      F
      Date
      14/09/1821
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      300 240
      Parish
      Glasgow

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      MARION
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR2575 (FR2575)
      Gender
      F
      Date
      21/10/1819
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      220 255
      Parish
      Glasgow

      Surname
      JACK
      Forename
      CECILIA
      Parents/ Other Details
      JAMES JACK/ANN BOWMAN FR4858 (FR4858)
      Gender
      F
      Date
      15/10/1835
      Parish Number
      644/1
      Ref
      340 245
      Parish
      Glasgow

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        #4
        This is James and Ann’s marriage entry. Barony is a parish in Glasgow.

        Surname JACK
        Forename JAMES
        Spouse Name ANN BOWMAN /FR1972 (FR1972)
        Date 29/01/1819
        Parish Number 622/ Ref 70 474
        Parish Barony

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          #5
          From 1841 census transcription on ancestry. Note Cecilia is given as Cecily. I used her name to search as it’s not that common. Not sure why the address shown on James snr’s entry is Cellar. Cecily’s says Robertson Lane. You would need to purchase the original from SP site to be sure what that says.

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          Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-06-19, 11:35.

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            #6
            There are no entries for that family in 1851 Scotland census. As Margaret married in 1848 in Ireland, I have a sneaking suspicion that the whole family moved over there sometime 1841-1848.

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              #7
              I might be wrong about that. Here’s a death for an Ann JACK or BOWMAN in another parish in Glasgow City. You can add a woman's maiden surname in SP death searches. Also bear in mind that ages in 1841 can be 5-10 years out.

              Surname
              JACK
              Forename
              ANN
              Age at death
              76
              Mother's Maiden Name
              CAMPBELL
              Year
              1863
              Ref
              644/9 934
              RD Name
              Tradeston

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                #8
                Assuming that death is your Ann this is her baptism.

                Surname
                BOWMAN
                Forename
                ANN
                Parents/ Other Details
                WILLIAM BOWMAN/MARY CAMPBELL FR1728 (FR1728)
                Gender
                F
                Date
                19/11/1795
                Parish Number
                644/1
                Ref
                190 251
                Parish
                Glasgow

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                  #9
                  You see I don't think that's the correct James Jack because on his marriage cert, it says he was a carter. The profession of carter is I believe someone who transports goods by horse drawn cart ? Unless its possible someone with that occupation can have the title of 'esquire' ?

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                    #10
                    what about this 1851 census
                    Record Transcription:
                    1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
                    44, Maxwell Street, St Enochs,Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

                    James Jack Head Married Male 65 1786 Carter Lanarkshire, Scotland
                    Ann Jack Wife Married Female 51 1800 Housekeeper Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
                    Last edited by Katarzyna; 03-06-19, 12:32.
                    Kat
                    My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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                      #11
                      Well done Kat, I didn’t find that one. Should have tried FMP instead LOL

                      I see he’s ten years older than expected in 1851. 1841 has him as 1796.
                      A birth place of Lesmahagow helps a lot.
                      Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-06-19, 12:50.

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                        #12
                        Ancestry is playing me up at the moment - I put the exact details from your transcript in ancestry and it couldn't find that one on the 1841 It's happening a lot.
                        Kat
                        My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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                          #13
                          These are the only two Lesmahagow baptisms that it could be. Given that the couple only baptised one son and he was called Thomas, I would be inclined to go with the first one and assume the age on the 1851 census transcription is wrong. This one is a very good match for the person b.c.1796 in the 1841 census.

                          Surname
                          JACK
                          Forename
                          JAMES
                          Parents/ Other Details
                          THOMAS JACK/MARGARET FORREST FR377 (FR377)
                          Gender
                          M
                          Date
                          08/06/1794
                          Parish Number
                          649/
                          Ref
                          20 97
                          Parish
                          Lesmahagow

                          Surname
                          JACK
                          Forename
                          JAMES
                          Parents/ Other Details
                          THOMAS JACK/ISOBELL LANG FR358 (FR358)
                          Gender
                          M
                          Date
                          02/06/1788
                          Parish Number
                          649/
                          Ref
                          20 59
                          Parish
                          Lesmahagow

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                            #14
                            OOOOHHH! You could be on to a winner here. I think you should spend the credits on this death as it’s 1855, the golden year when civil registration started in Scotland. You get much more information than at any time since and it should even give you where he is buried. Although it is registered in Carstsirs, he may we’ll have died on the road while at work with his cart. Perhaps on his way through to Edinburgh. Even if you only manage to eliminate him it will be worth the 6 credits.

                            Surname
                            JACK
                            Forename
                            JAMES
                            Age at death
                            52
                            Mother's Maiden Name
                            FORREST
                            Year
                            1855
                            Ref
                            633/ 7
                            RD Name
                            Carstairs

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
                              Ancestry is playing me up at the moment - I put the exact details from your transcript in ancestry and it couldn't find that one on the 1841 It's happening a lot.

                              It’s being a right pain lately that’s true.

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                                #16
                                Thanks for all of this guys, really appreciated. Can a carter have the title of esquire though ? Extra information, Margaret Rankin (Jack) died in Garvagh on 03/06/1867. Are you confident that this is the correct James Jack ?

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                                  #17
                                  Had some spare credits. The 1855 death sadly is not him but the 1863 one for Ann JACK is his wife. It tells you Cecelia was the informant and her father was already deceased. Cecelia’s surname is now KERR and she married 1856 so you could check that certificate and see if her father was alive or not. That should narrow it down a bit more.
                                  The Mitchell Library in Glasgow would be able to tell you more about Ann as she died in the Govan Poor House. There should be admission records and if you are lucky it might say where she was buried. They should also be able to find out which grave yard she is in from the lair books as they can check the nearest ones for you. There will be charges for the research of course but you can ask for an estimate. Hopefully despite her dying in the Poor House, she was in there for medical care and not totally destitute. Then there would be a chance of a family grave and if they find her, they should also find her husband.
                                  Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-06-19, 13:51.

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                                    #18
                                    Courtesy of ScotlandsPeople

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                                      #19
                                      The forum wont let me view any of your attachments. Any idea why ?

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                                        #20
                                        Sorry, I don’t know why as I attached them in the usual way. Maybe an admin can help.

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