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    Three siblings births on the GRO with no Mothers Maiden name mentioned, what would the reason be?


    Val

    #2
    I sent for one like that two weeks ago. There was no father's name, even though the person who registered the birth,(a person living in the same house) stated that the mother was a widow.
    Fran

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      #3
      I have always understood it to mean that no father's name was given. I assume the mother was usually unmarried and the father wouldn't accompany her to the register office?
      Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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        #4
        Thanks for replies


        Val

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          #5
          So the fathers name was on the birth certificate, but not the mothers? But you know who the mother is?
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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            #6
            I usually take it to mean that the birth was illegitimate

            HOWEVER, there could be another reason in a very few cases ...........

            I have a couple who married but both had the same surname (2nd or 3rd cousins) ......... the GRO Index shows one of the births without a mmn

            I checked some records ......... parish register shows marriage, that child was theirs, born after marriage, parish register shows baptism. I didn't buy the birth certificate because it was a sibling of my ancestor.
            My parents at my brother's wedding, March 1952

            Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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              #7
              It normally means there is only one surname on the certificate and that is the surname of the mother, not the father. illegitimate in other words. The certificate will have a blank space for the father's details.

              OC

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                #8
                The GRO do usually put a mmn if the parent's surnames are the same. I have children of cousins with the same surname and they are indexed properly on the GRO site with mmn.
                Anne

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                  #9
                  Carolyn this is from the GRO I've not got the certs yet,not much point if it does not say the Fathers name.
                  Thanks everybody


                  Val

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                    #10
                    On the on-line GRO index the maiden name is taken from any name written after "formerly" in the mother's name column, in the majority of cases a blank will indicate a register entry with no father named, but not always (e.g. a birth registered by an unmarried couple together may show the same), and the only way to be sure is to see a copy of the entry by getting a certificate.
                    Last edited by AntonyM; 06-04-19, 14:24.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
                      Carolyn this is from the GRO I've not got the certs yet,not much point if it does not say the Fathers name.
                      Thanks everybody
                      ahh right, I see, sorry, I know a few had pointed out that this normally meant mothers name on here, thought it was new news to me

                      You kind of think if there were 3 children that there would be a different reason like that they were not married. Maybe worth getting one certificate?
                      Carolyn
                      Family Tree site

                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                        #12
                        Carolyn

                        There's always the possibility that there were three different fathers!

                        In one case I remember, the couple lived together for many years and had numerous children but the father's name never appeared on the birth certificate and I can only think it was because they didn't know it could! On one census return, she is described as "wife" but the enumerator has written "they are not married" in the margin. Smacks of local spite to me!

                        OC

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                          Carolyn

                          There's always the possibility that there were three different fathers!



                          OC
                          ...Didn't like to think that way
                          Carolyn
                          Family Tree site

                          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                            #14
                            This one is even worse, we think her Brother fathered the children.


                            Val

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                              #15
                              Oh Val! Why do you think that?

                              OC

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Post
                                This one is even worse, we think her Brother fathered the children.
                                I have one of those, only one child, well the rumour was in the family, guess will never proved. :(
                                Carolyn
                                Family Tree site

                                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                  #17
                                  have been in touch with someone much closer to them than me, and they have always thought that, not sure what proof they have so am checking it out.


                                  Val

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