Jaques/Jacques/Jakes.....

[Chrissie Smiff]

That's the one I was talking about in my post #95, but I thought Everitt to Strutt was too big a mistranscription.

[Chrissie Smiff]

Isn't this one more likely to be the Amelia from that marriage in 1851? -

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=oBS9&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=uki1851&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Amelia&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Everitt&gsln_x=0&msrpn__ftp=Colchester,%20Essex,%20England&msrpn=83544&msrpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5264%7C83544%7C0%7C0%7C&mssng=James%20S&MSAV=1&uidh=uo6&pcat=35&fh=0&h=6271940&recoff=7%208%2060&ml_rpos=1

[Darksecretz]

Just following that one through - as you do. The children John - Jun 1839 & Mary - Mar 1841 have mmn as Ricketts. Registered at Edmonton. Death of Mary Jaques mar 1841 Epping Union age 27.

Yes. I did that too and got the MMN of Ricketts then found him in 1851 as widow so discounted it!

Just found the marriage of Amelia in 1849 on one of my discs, it was James Samuel Everitt to Amelia PEAKES according to the transcription

oh ruddy lord...... this family are a nightmare!

Marriages Mar 1849
Everitt James Samuel Colchester 12 89
Feakes Amelia Colchester 12 89

How many more variations of that name are there???

lots! nightmare!

[Chrissie Smiff]

This appears to be the birth of their 2 children from 1851 census -
EVERITT, JAMES SAMUEL - mmn FEAKE - GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in COLCHESTER Volume 12 Page 68

EVERITT, SARAH AMELIA - mmn FEAKES - GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in COLCHESTER Volume 12 Page 85

[Katarzyna]

Also that 1851 census has Joseph Feakes visiting - possibly brother or cousin.

[Darksecretz]

Just following that one through - as you do. The children John - Jun 1839 & Mary - Mar 1841 have mmn as Ricketts. Registered at Edmonton. Death of Mary Jaques mar 1841 Epping Union age 27.

Just found the marriage of Amelia in 1849 on one of my discs, it was James Samuel Everitt to Amelia PEAKES according to the transcription

Marriages Mar 1849
Everitt James Samuel Colchester 12 89
Feakes Amelia Colchester 12 89

How many more variations of that name are there???

This appears to be the birth of their 2 children from 1851 census -
EVERITT, JAMES SAMUEL - mmn FEAKE - GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in COLCHESTER Volume 12 Page 68

EVERITT, SARAH AMELIA - mmn FEAKES - GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in COLCHESTER Volume 12 Page 85

Also that 1851 census has Joseph Feakes visiting - possibly brother or cousin.

I'm going to sit in a corner and cry............

Think that this could well be another red herring....

[Katarzyna]

Looks like it Julie :( Never mind - happens to us all. It's back to the drawing board then

[Elaine]

Ok, found another one in York, age is a bit onward but father Robert...gamekeeper

[Elaine]

Just starting to look

CROWTHER, JOHN GIDEON 31
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in OF YORK Volume 09D Page 20

15 October 1864 - Yorkshire Gazette
On the 13th inst., aged 31, Mr. John Gideon Crowther, the Magpie and Stump, Penley Grovestreet, in this city.

[Elaine]

Another marriage for this Amelia 1874

GBPRS_YORKSHIRE_13-0743_GB-YOR_PARISH-REGISTERS-N-PR-TH-1-15-1537-1900_00109.jpg

[Elaine]

Found her on a census at last, not her either, sorry:(

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27B-PLN1

[Darksecretz]

Thanks Elaine you are a star... though having a father Robert and being a gamekeeper is very very tantalising isn't it..

and Kat, yes of course you were right :smilee: I was just feeling a little bit 'down' about it.. spent hours looking and finally come up with a glimmer to have it dashed!..

onwards!

[Darksecretz]

Dragging this thread back out as I think I might have a bit of news.

I found JWJ in a workhouse:
Name: John Wenden Jacques
Discharge Age 68
Record Type Discharge
Birth Date 1818
Discharge Date 13 Mar 1886
Discharge Place London England, Southwark, Southwark

and have now found this:
Name: John Jaques
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 74
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 11

BUT there is another John Jacques that I have spotted in the same WH about 10 years earlier.. is there a way I can find a burial for this chap?

thanks for looking.

[Darksecretz]

I still haven't found him on the 1841 census and the 1881/1891 either.. he's a flipping nightmare!.

1841 no idea!
1881 I would expect to see him in Wales as he was in Builith/Brecon Prison towards the end of April 1881.
1891 possibly in London area if the death is anything to go by.

[vera2013]

Not sure which John's burial your looking for but the John Jacques who d 1893 could be the one mentioned in Probate Records

John Jacques 21K Peabody Buildings, Southwark ?St Surrey
Tailor
Died 23 September 1893
Probate to Widow Rose Rachel Jacques

In 1863 he m Elizabeth Mitton in Brecon. Elizabeth Jacques 43 was in the Bulith W/hse 1881 with children
Elizabeth 12, Georgina 7 and Walter 4.


Vera

[cbcarolyn]

I still haven't found him on the 1841 census and the 1881/1891 either.. he's a flipping nightmare!.

1841 no idea!
1881 I would expect to see him in Wales as he was in Builith/Brecon Prison towards the end of April 1881.
1891 possibly in London area if the death is anything to go by.

you have link to 1841 on the beginning of this thread, not read all of thread so maybe it was wrong.

[Darksecretz]

Not sure which John's burial your looking for but the John Jacques who d 1893 could be the one mentioned in Probate Records

John Jacques 21K Peabody Buildings, Southwark ?St Surrey
Tailor
Died 23 September 1893
Probate to Widow Rose Rachel Jacques

In 1863 he m Elizabeth Mitton in Brecon. Elizabeth Jacques 43 was in the Bulith W/hse 1881 with children
Elizabeth 12, Georgina 7 and Walter 4.
Vera

Rats!

I'm looking for John Wenden Jaques's death Vera, I have been looking on and off for years and thought I might give it another go.

He's a serial Bigamist and very difficult to pin down. He was married 3 times [that we know of] and I can't find a death for him or his first wife Sarah Robertson/Robinson. I have been in touch with several descendants of this family and none of them know when he died.

I'll have a look to see if I can spot that probate Vera, I missed that when looking.

[vera2013]

I have been looking at a John Jacques death for Dec q 1892 Lambeth b 1820. Will search around workhouses.

Vera

[Darksecretz]

you have link to 1841 on the beginning of this thread, not read all of thread so maybe it was wrong.

Yes I do and that was for his Brother I think it was. [Robert]

I'm not sure now exactly what to think, So many red herrings and nothing concrete to say it's def him.

I do know that when his daughter married in 1900 she stated on her m/cert that he was dec'd. Elizabeth [wife 3] also stated she was a widow by 1891. [But even if JWJ had deserted her she'd save face by saying he was dead!]

[cbcarolyn]

doh, read first post - was late, will have to check all the links.