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    My G,G- Grandfather Fred Dyer was an engine driver and was the first to drive The Great Western engine, is there anybody who would be able to access his working records. The only other information I have on him is that he had a daughter Julia born in Yeovil around 1875 and that she married Frederick Hall, but I know nothing of her Mother. Any Help please.

    #2
    She was born 1878. Her mother’s maiden surname was Andrews.

    DYER, JULIA mms ANDREWS
    GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in YEOVIL Volume 05C Page 454
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-10-18, 17:44.

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      #3
      Or maybe not...
      How sure are you that his same was Fred or that he may have used a middle name?
      1881 census has the above Julia with her parents in New Town, Yeovil. But they are Samuel aged 39 and Eliza aged 42. Samuel is a railway engine driver though which does fit. There are three other children Henrietta 15, Robert 12 and Sydney 8 months. The whole family are given as born Yeovil.

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        #4
        1891 census, the family are minus Eliza (?dead) and plus another older son being supported by his father but Samuel is now Samuel G. Dyer. That ties in with 1861 marriage of Samuel George Dyer to Eliza Andrews Yeovil 4Q 5c 927

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          #5
          1900 Julia Dyer marries Frederick Charles Hall Yeovil 2Q 5c 779

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            #6
            1901 census Frederick and Julia are at Kingston Cottage, Colston Raleigh, Devon. Frederick is a cattleman on a farm. He was born Gillingham, Dorset. They have a son Sydney F. Hall aged 1 month.

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              #7
              Originally posted by snowywhite View Post
              My G,G- Grandfather Fred Dyer was an engine driver and was the first to drive The Great Western engine...
              This sounds like an embroidered family legend. By the 1850s there were hundreds of engine drivers. The Great Western was a railway, not a specific engine, and their engines tended to have classical Greek names.
              Uncle John

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                #8
                Oops that should have read Colaton Raleigh. Sorry.

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                  #9
                  1911 census Julia and Frederick are now in Colesbrook, Gillingham, Dorset with Sydney Fred who is 10. They now have three more children. William Charles 6, Harold Ernest 2 and Dorcas May 3 months. There was also 1 more child who has died. Frederick still a cattleman on a farm.
                  Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-10-18, 19:00.

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                    #10
                    1939 register. Frederick and Julia are on their own at 9 West Orchard, Shaftesbury R.D., Dorset. His dob is given as 25 December 1875 and Julia’s is 22 June 1879 which is a year out. Frederick is a farm labourer, Julia is unpaid domestic duties.

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                      #11
                      Have found birth of Eliza Andrews in Yeovil was actually 1839. She was baptised 7 November 1839 at Yeovil, St. John. Parents Matthew and Susan.
                      Eliza’s marriage to Samuel George Dyer was 31 December 1861 at Yeovil, Holy Trinity.
                      Sorry but images are not opening on ancestry so have only transcripts to work from.

                      Her mother was Susan Blake
                      ANDREWS, ELIZA mms BLAKE
                      GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in YEOVIL Volume 10 Page 519
                      Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-10-18, 19:25.

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                        #12
                        Ah, sad news. Eliza Dyer did not die between 1881 and 1891 censuses. In 1901, she is given as a lunatic, housewife in the care of the Somerset and Bath Asylum, Bishop’s Lydeard, Somerset

                        Her death is 1902 4Q Taunton 5c 218
                        Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-10-18, 19:40.

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                          #13
                          It seems Samuel George Dyer married again soon after Eliza’s death. He is on 1911 census as married for 9 years to Emily. He is now a railway pensioner retired driver. The household is 14 Mount Pleasant, Newtown, Yeovil.

                          Samuel George Dyer died 31 July 1917 at Mount Pleasant, Yeovil and left £325 6s to his widow Emily.
                          His death index is 4Q Yeovil 5c 388

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                            #14
                            The marriage to Emily was 17 November 1902 at the parish church at Hendford.
                            Samuel George Dyer (widower) aged 60 of 14 Newtown, Yeovil. Engine driver son of Samuel Dyer, merchant, deceased.
                            Emily Gale (widow) aged 55 of Red House, Yeovil nee Rendell daughter of John Rendell, licenced victualled, deceased.

                            Samuel and Eliza were married in the same church 1861. Then Samuel’s father was a dealer and Samuel himself was a smith so had not yet begun driving trains. Eliza’s father Matthew was a glover as was she.
                            Last edited by GallowayLass; 03-10-18, 20:08.

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                              #15
                              Samuel must have left smithing for the railways between 1864 and 1866 as on Albert’s baptism he is still a smith but two years later on Henrietta’s baptism he is a railway fireman. He is still a fireman in 1871 census so still not an actual train driver by then.

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                                #16
                                Can further narrow down the progression to train driver to between 1871 census and Julia’s baptism in 1878

                                Have also found Eliza in 1891 in the same condition and in the same asylum. She is shown as E. Dyer.

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                                  #17
                                  You should have enough in that lot now to move on by yourself. Good luck :D

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                                    #18
                                    Thanks Gal that's helped me heaps, appreciate it.

                                    Nick

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                                      #19
                                      Here is a photo I have found in my Grandmothers belongings, of my Great great grandfather standing on the footplate 20210310_211713.jpg
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                                        #20
                                        Another handy site for anybody with railway ancestors

                                        http://www.railwayaccidents.port.ac.uk

                                        My Family History Blog Site:

                                        https://chiddicksfamilytree.com

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