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    Hi all

    first time post so apologies if this has already been covered.

    We are searching for a half-brother and have an approximate year of birth and have been guessing at the area, however to find the right person we need to order the birth certificates to see the mother's name and it is getting expensive at £10 each!

    Is there anyway to find the first name of the mother without ordering the certificates?

    Any assistance gratefully received!

    Debz

    #2
    Is the person deceased? as we aren't allowed to put living peoples names, if there is a way of sending me the details in private ,I will take a look, or you can access mothers maiden names for quite a few years now, without ordering the cert
    Last edited by Val wish Id never started; 02-07-18, 21:46.


    Val

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      #3
      As you say this is a half brother I take it this is a relatively recent birth - perhaps second half of 20th century? In this case you presumably have been able to see the mother's maiden surname on the index but want to check her christian name? The only way to do this for sure would be to see the birth cert. However if the parents married you might look for a marriage between the two surnames within a number of years before, or perhaps after the birth and check the brides christian name.
      Judith passed away in October 2018

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        #4
        Thanks both for the responses.

        We believe he was born around 1960 and we have been looking on the basis that the mother's surname and the child's surname are the same. If they aren't then it definitely makes things more complicated. The mother has been dead for over 30 years and as far as we are aware she was not married to the father and did not marry the father later as she married my husband's father as a spinster.

        Val - thank you for the offer. I can PM you you separately with what else we know, which isn't much at all.

        Thanks again

        Debz

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          #5
          I am sure that you can still ask the GRO to search for a specific criteria and I am sure the search is now free ( used to be charged). You cannot do this through the online order system though.

          So, if you know the mother's first name was Clytemnestra, lol, you say mother's first name must be Clytemnestra. I am not sure whether they would accept this particular type of search though, as it is fairly obvious what you are searching for and they may think it comprises DP laws.

          Worth a try though?

          OC

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            #6
            Don't forge though that whatever you ask for must be spelled EXACTLY as it is on the birth registration ........... so Clytimnestra will result in you being told there was no such registration.
            My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

            Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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              #7
              have pmd you


              Val

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                #8
                Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                I am sure that you can still ask the GRO to search for a specific criteria and I am sure the search is now free ( used to be charged). You cannot do this through the online order system though.

                So, if you know the mother's first name was Clytemnestra, lol, you say mother's first name must be Clytemnestra. I am not sure whether they would accept this particular type of search though, as it is fairly obvious what you are searching for and they may think it comprises DP laws.

                Worth a try though?

                OC
                Civil Registers are exempt from the Data Protection Act as they are required by law to be open for public inspection, when the relevant civil register is full and passed to the Superintendent Registrar it is then required to be indexed and the "accurate" index is required to be open to public inspection and required by law to contain all information required to identify the relevant register entry to enable the entry to be purchased by anyone who wishes to purchase it.
                It would therefore be totally illogical to try to claim that such registers or indexes could possibly come under any privacy law whatsoever as they are by definition public documents.

                Cheers
                Guy
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                  #9
                  Guy,

                  Surely an entry of an adopted person (presuming the person in question was adopted) would be subject to privacy laws?

                  Laws are different in australia vs england, but in australia all births are sealed for 100 years, unless the person is deceased. But the indexes are not public in such a case.and they still make it difficult to access them, especially if living people are mentioned on them.

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                    #10
                    Kyle

                    In the UK, adoption registers are entirely separate from birth registers. You can look at the indexes to either, because there is no way to connect a birth to an adoption. We have never been able to look at adoption certificates without purchasing them first.

                    The GRO will not let you browse actual birth certificates. Neither will local Register offices, despite what Guy says. My own local (Cornwall) has a statement on its website to that effect. They get around any possible "awkwardness" with the law by charging £42 per hour for you to sit in the presence of the Registrar while you look at one particular register, by appointment only. As we now only have ONE full time Registrar to cover the whole county, this makes the whole thing impossible, which is what they want, of course.

                    OC

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                      #11
                      isnt the GRO still doing the PDF files for a cheaper rate. Think it was £6 instead of the usual £9. Not ordered any for a while but was quite happy with the pdf that I ordered, although it didnt help much with my search..lol

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by kylejustin View Post
                        Guy,

                        Surely an entry of an adopted person (presuming the person in question was adopted) would be subject to privacy laws?

                        Laws are different in australia vs england, but in australia all births are sealed for 100 years, unless the person is deceased. But the indexes are not public in such a case.and they still make it difficult to access them, especially if living people are mentioned on them.
                        No, both entries of an adopted person (assuming her/his birth was registered prior to the adoption) are open and may be purchased by anyone in the world for whatever reason they wish.
                        It should be remembered that in UK registers the two registrations would not be linked and other than the original carrying a marginal note, adopted, there would be no indication that an adoption had taken place. In the past some Registrars would not transcribe that marginal entry on any later copy certificates supplied.

                        Do not forget privacy laws were initiated to protect the public against Government interference in their private lives not to censor information, there is no place for such censorship in a free country.

                        Cheers
                        Guy
                        A forum is a place where ideas & views can be exchanged
                        I read what others write & add my view or idea based on a lifetime of research
                        Some people agree with me some disagree that is their prerogative & valued
                        If I add a previous posting it is to remind forum users of the post I am replying to
                        If I am addressing a particular person I will address them by name
                        If not I am making a general comment to no one in particular.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                          Kyle

                          In the UK, adoption registers are entirely separate from birth registers. You can look at the indexes to either, because there is no way to connect a birth to an adoption. We have never been able to look at adoption certificates without purchasing them first.

                          The GRO will not let you browse actual birth certificates. Neither will local Register offices, despite what Guy says. My own local (Cornwall) has a statement on its website to that effect. They get around any possible "awkwardness" with the law by charging £42 per hour for you to sit in the presence of the Registrar while you look at one particular register, by appointment only. As we now only have ONE full time Registrar to cover the whole county, this makes the whole thing impossible, which is what they want, of course.

                          OC
                          "They get around any possible "awkwardness" with the law", you mean they admit they are breaking the law and try to avoid being sued by exploiting the public by charging such a fee.
                          If they were up here in Yorkshire the Registrar would have been fined by now.
                          Cheers
                          Guy
                          A forum is a place where ideas & views can be exchanged
                          I read what others write & add my view or idea based on a lifetime of research
                          Some people agree with me some disagree that is their prerogative & valued
                          If I add a previous posting it is to remind forum users of the post I am replying to
                          If I am addressing a particular person I will address them by name
                          If not I am making a general comment to no one in particular.

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