I have just noticed that I do not have the 1861 census for George and family. I cannot find it on Ancestry so could someone look somewhere else for me please.
George with wife Sophia and daughters Ellen. Mary, and maybe Charlotte. Possibly in St George In the East
Regards
Ann
I've been looking at the CHIPPERFIELDs of N.E Sufffolk over the last couple of days to see if there is a connection between our families. I can't see one in the 2/3 generations we are looking at. I have found quite a lot on my line including quite a few newspaper articles, a pity they are only distantly related.
As Elaine said, there are baptisms for George's & Hannah's children & I think I've found most of them.
Listed are the ones I've found with birthplace, father's occupation & then his occupation at the marriage; nary a carpenter in sight unfortunately.
Hannah 1819 Sotterley Butcher m.1849 Lab
George 1820 Kirkley Butcher
Charlotte 1822 Kessingland Horse keeper m.1842 Lab
Edward 1824 Yarmouth Ostler
Mary Ann 1827 Yarmouth Ostler
Elizabeth 1832 Wangford
Elizabeth 1834 Kessingland Lab
Eliza 1838 Kessingland Lab
Emma 1841
I'm posting this but I now think it's irrelevant. I'll get my thoughts together, then post again.
I'd already found a possible for him in 1861 living with a brother George, wife Hannah & several children but ages & places of birth weren't quite correct. However they were in Hammersmith.
Did you have them on the 1851, Ann?
George Chipperfield
Relationship Head
Marital status Married
Age 30
Birth year 1821
Occupation Cabinet Maker
Birth County Suffolk
Street Wellington Passage
Registration district Stepney
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1552
Folio 869
Page 13
Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Sophia Chipperfield Wife Married Age 21 b 1830 British Colonist
Ellen Chipperfield Daughter Age 14 months b 1850 Ratcliff, Middlesex, England
Hello everyone,
I have all the census bar 1861. Going by where Charlotte was born they must have moved to Plumstead then. I cannot find them on the census still. I wonder if they went to Ireland for some reason when the census was taken as Sophia the wife was Irish. What happens if you were not around for the census?
Kat I will look at the George you found thank you
Regards
Ann
I may be completely on the wrong track here as I'm not sure how these things work but could George have been a civilian employee of the army? There are some pension records on FMP for a George Chipperfield listed as a carpenter at the Royal Laboratory which was in Woolwich where George was living at one time & not far from Plumstead, another residence. This might explain why he was in Ireland in 1847 & again c. 1853/4 and possibly there in 1861. Do you have any birth certs. for the children?
I did look to see if George Chipperfield Junior b 1855 may have died in Ireland but not there. Cannot see the birth for Mary b 1854 Ireland either. I can only see the marriage for father George Edward/Edmund Chipperfield 1847.
Had you found Mary A on 1881 as sister in religious order?
Relationship Sister
Marital status Single
Sex Female
Age 29
Birth year 1852
Birth place Ireland
Occupation Religious Order
24a Kensington 4 Houses & 1 Chapel
Registration district Kensington
RG11/23/14/23
Piece 407 Kent Greenwich Woolwich Arsenal (6) Woolwich Missing on 1861 census
Probable why we cannot find them unless they were in Ireland as Glen suggests.
Yes the marriage was recorded because it was Protestant & fortunately a lot of the Dublin PRs are online. Civil Birth & Death records weren't kept until 1864/5 & if Mary was baptised I assume it would have been in a C of I church which are not online so the 2 events may have occurred but.....
Mary was born in Kildare c1853 according to a later census, and married in Plumstead in 1879. I am thrilled to know they are showing as missing on the 1861 census as I was beginning to think it was me not doing it right.
Glen I do not have FMP. Does it show anything about where he lived regarding the pension records. I do not have any birth certificates for the children.
I think you are all right and they were in Ireland for the 1861 census, so I will go back to the time of Georges birth and work through all Georges. I can understand him saying he was born in the place he was living in, but to say Suffolk must have meant something
No indication to residence Ann & on closer examination, I'm not sure that the details really match up. If you PM me your email I'll send you the copies so you can decide for yourself.
Returning to the Suffolk aspect, when I first had a look I thought I was on to something when I found an Elizabeth having illegitimate children before marrying a carpenter in 1821 but no George. However I do think this is a possibility not that particular scenario but something similar.
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