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    I am anxious to find parents for George Butcher born Stoke, Suffolk in 1835/1838 , his wife was Sarah Ann Holmes born 1838/1839 at Nayland Suffolk. I cannot find a marriage for them, but I know they finally settled in Kenninghall, Norfolk and died there. I know the names of Sarah Ann's parents,. I would be very grateful for any info on George, my great,great grandfather.

    sunny rosy

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    I don't think we have anyone to visit Suffolk Archives anymore Rosie.
    I have found the Ancestry/Genealogy in Suffolk and Cambridgeshire Group very helpful.

    Kat

    My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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      Thank you Kat, for the reference, I have joined the group right away.

      sunny r

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        I wasn't intending to say anything until my return in case I don't have time but I saw your original request last October about 2 weeks after my last trip. I am off to Suffolk in the morning & have noted your request. The marriage is most likely to have been in Nayland or Stoke by N so I'll look at those - going any further would be too time consuming. I'll also have a look for George's baptism in Stoke.
        Glen

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oakum Picker View Post
          I wasn't intending to say anything until my return in case I don't have time but I saw your original request last October about 2 weeks after my last trip. I am off to Suffolk in the morning & have noted your request. The marriage is most likely to have been in Nayland or Stoke by N so I'll look at those - going any further would be too time consuming. I'll also have a look for George's baptism in Stoke.
          How about the old Stoke district in Ipswich? It's a long established parish as St Mary at Stoke parish church is in parts medieval.
          Judith passed away in October 2018

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          • #6
            Thank you so much Glen, I would be so appreciative, should you find anything for me. You Gem.

            sunny r

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JudithM View Post
              How about the old Stoke district in Ipswich? It's a long established parish as St Mary at Stoke parish church is in parts medieval.
              Thank you Judith, I will take a look there.

              sunny r

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              • #8
                Judith - that's the one that always comes to my mind first as I was christened there but with Sarah Ann being born in Nayland, I felt the Stoke referred to for George was more likely to be Stoke by Nayland.

                Sunny R - have you found Susannah's birth reg? A quick look didn't reveal it to me. I can only see Sarah Ann & Eliza. There is a Susannah HOLMES registered in Guiltcross but she has a mmn. I was thinking this might indicate a Norfolk marriage.

                Not that it matters, I'll look at what I previously mentioned.
                Glen

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                • #9
                  Sunny R - have you found Susannah's birth reg? Scratch that, I've found it now.
                  Glen

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                  • #10
                    I found two birth regs for George Butcher. They are the only two in the Sudbury Dist for the right time frame.
                    BUTCHER, GEORGE - no MMN
                    GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 12 Page 325
                    BUTCHER, GEORGE MMN PEARSON
                    GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 12 Page 441
                    Kat

                    My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012

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                    • #11
                      [QUOTE=Katarzyna;2624157]I found two birth regs for George Butcher. They are the only two in the Sudbury Dist for the right time frame.
                      BUTCHER, GEORGE - no MMN
                      GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 12 Page 325
                      BUTCHER, GEORGE MMN PEARSON
                      GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 12 Page 441[/QU

                      Will look into these Kat thank you.
                      Last edited by Sunny Rosy; 12-03-18, 23:33.

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                      • #12
                        Well Rosy, not good news. I searched Nayland & Stoke by N. for the marriage. I found marriages for a brother & 2 sisters of Sarah in Nayland if you want the details. I searched Stoke from 1830 to 1850 for George but there were no BUTCHER events in that time. I also just looked for Georges as I hadn't found him in the early censuses & thought he might be illegitimate. Have you found him before 1871? I also had a look at Mary Stoke for good measure. Sorry I couldn't help.
                        Glen

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                        • #13
                          Thank you so much for your kind endeavours Glen, I'm not surprised you didn't find my elusive George Butcher.!! I would love the details of Sarah's siblings marriage. IN 1871 they were in Bury st Edmunds as a family. In 1891.they were living in Kenninghall ,Norfolk where my Gt granny (their daughter )was born in 1870). I haven't been able to find George on the 1881 census, Sarah Ann was , married, as head of the family, still in Kenninghall. George died in Norfolk Asylum in 1897, I think Sarah died in 1901. Sarah Ann (Holmes) was still living with parents in 1861. I have to check where George was in 1861 as it was a bit involved looking for him, as i did come across a George poss illegitimate with a 20 yr old mother and a grandfather. Will look again and ask what you think.
                          I did get the birth cert for George born Sudbury District in 1837 but it turned out he was born in Essex and not my George as I could trace him throughout the census.

                          regards Rosy

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                            Sarah Ann was at home for the 1861 Census & Susannah was born Sep 1864 so a narrow time frame. The marriage may have taken place at the Register Office & never made it to the GRO Index. It may be worth ringing the Sudbury Register Office & asking the question.

                            On the other hand the marriage may not have taken place at all. Having their children in a different county, who would query if they were married or not? A call to Guiltcross might be worth it just to eliminate the same marriage scenario there.

                            I'm out this morning so I'll post the marriage details later
                            Glen

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                            • #15
                              Here are the marriages - there are a couple of places I can't read my own writing.
                              5/10/1862 William x HOLMES FA B Ag Lab Nayland John Ag Lab
                              Susanna x KENINGALE FA S Tailoress Nayland William Carpenter
                              Wit: Henry x KENINGALE Sarah x HOLMES

                              5/10/1862 Isaac x WATTS FA B Ag Lab Nayland James Ag Lab
                              Susannah x HOLMES 19 S Dom Serv Nayland John Carpenter
                              Wit: Nathan x ABBOTT Sarah x MAR????

                              They married the same day and I did check that it wasn't me but the fathers' occupations seem to have been transposed.

                              14/6/1863 Joseph Crane LANE FA B H.M. 1th Royals - Lance Serjeant Nayland Charles Carpenter
                              Emma HOLMES FA S Nayland John Lab
                              Wit: Isaac x & Susannah x WATTS
                              Joseph's occupation is definitely recorded as 1th Royals even though it doesn't make sense. Perhaps a 1 was omitted.
                              Glen

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                              • #16
                                Thanks very much Glen, I'm thrilled with that info, can look them up now on the 1871 census and beyond

                                sunny r

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