Lunn Family History and maybe Munro

[Darksecretz]

can't spot anything else for Florence, though she must be around somewhere!.. maybe there are some records on www.familysearch.org

they seem to cover Canada pretty well, good hunting!..

and you are welcome. :smilee:

[Vacumatic]

Perfect Julie, thank you.

[Darksecretz]

seems florence married:

Name: Florence Gertrude Field
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1898
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 11 Sep 1922
Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Frank Sheldon Field
Mother: Lunn Eliza
Spouse: Charles Ward

and a death:

Name: Florence Gertrude Field
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1897
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 10 Oct 1989
Cemetery: Mount Pleasant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Toronto, Toronto Municipality, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?: Y
Spouse: Charles Ward

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=119832260&ref=acom

I see that the bio that they have has the mistranscription of LUNN on it as LESNN, [you can edit find a grave details and correct them should you wish to]

[Vacumatic]

Thanks for the clarification Julie. His occupation was shown as a glass gather, the person who puts the iron rod into the furnace for the molten glass, I can imagine more brawn than brains were the order of the day.

[Darksecretz]

Vacumatic, he might have been able to sign his name, I guess it just depends on how they were asked!.. some said sign your name whilst I imagine that some might have said 'make your mark'.. which he duly could have done!

I have found Franks death too, seems he died in 1920 [not sure if you have an Ancestry sub but Florence registered her mothers death, so I am just about to have a look to see if she did the same for her father.

edit to add: Sarah registered his death, and it died of Cancer of the Rectum, [Exhaustion]

Franks parents were: William Field of West Brom and Eliza Mary Tonks also of West Brom. [as per death cert]

death:
Name: Frank Sheldon Field
Gender: Male
Age: 49
Birth Date: abt 1871
Birth Place: w Bronwich, England
Death Date: 5 Nov 1920
Death Place: York, Ontario, Canada

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=ontario_deaths&h=2226603&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&rhSource=8913

[Vacumatic]

Thats remarkable, thank you so much Julie.

It must have taken some courage for Sarah, my great grandmother, at this time a widow, to have left England with a young son for a life in Canada. On the embarkation list Harold Ernest Lunn has described himself as a farmworker, which wasnt the case, perhaps he thought it was more appealing to the Canadian authorities in starting a new life.

Harold and his mother returned to England at some point, Harold married a Mary Cliff and had two children in 1914 and 1922. Sarah died in 1917, in England.

Thank you again Julie, I have found this journey to be fascinating. My starting point was not even knowing the names of my grandparents, having an understanding as to how and why we are what we are.

I have just watched Nigel Havers on Who do you think you are, he also had a journey of discovery, father and grandfather were well to do but further generations less so, a humbling experience. One of the discoveries that rocked me was to find that Thomas Lunn who was born in 1847 and a direct ancestor, was unable to sign his own name and had an 8 year old son who was a labourer at the glassworks.

[Darksecretz]

it looks like Eliza died in 1925.

Name: Eliza Field
Gender: Female
Age: 54
Birth Date: abt 1871
Birth Place: w Brunswick, England [it does state W. bromwich but the writing isn't very clear]
Death Date: 11 Aug 1925
Death Place: York, Ontario, Canada

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=ontario_deaths&h=494927&tid=56322661&pid=32558355621&usePUB=true&_phsrc=DNF4926&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&rhSource=8947

she died of stomach cancer. I have saved the image if you would like it, then PM me with your email addy and I'll send it on.

[Darksecretz]

Passenger list for Eliza & Frank & daughter Florrie: destination Toronto, Ont, Canada.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=CanadianPL&h=7105314&tid=56322661&pid=32558355621&usePUB=true&_phsrc=DNF4926&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&rhSource=8947

Name: Eliza Field
Gender: Female
Age: 38
Birth Year: abt 1872
Date of Arrival: 27 May 1910
Vessel: Corsican
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Franks intended occupation was Carpenter and it looks like his occupation in UK was an Agent, though it doesn't specify what kind of agent it was!

[Darksecretz]

right, I went back to square one. I am pretty certain now that Elizabeth married Frank Sheldon Field in 1897 W/Brom dist.

Marriage:
Name: Eliza Lunn
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 1008

spouse Frank Sheldon Field.

she is on the 1901 cens with Frank and daughter Florence.

1901:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=7572
Source Citation
Class: RG13; Piece: 2720; Folio: 15; Page: 22

she emigrated in 1910 and for 1911 census she appears in Ontario, [Toronto west] with husband Frank daughter Florence, mother and brother, Sarah & Harold.

1911:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...&rhSource=7814
Source Citation
Year: 1911; Census Place: 97 - Ward 6, Toronto West, Ontario; Page: 14; Family No: 146

Ancestry have Sarah mistranscribed as Sarah BROWN but the image clearly states LUNN and she is a widow by this time too.

Name: Eliza Field
Gender: F
Marital Status: Married
Age: 40
Birth Date: Dec 1870
Birth Place: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Immigration Year: 1910
Race or Tribe: English
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto West
District Number: 128
Sub-district: 97 - Ward 6
Sub-District Number: 97
Place of Habitation: 10 Armstrong

Household Members:
Name/Age

Frank Sheldon Field 39
Eliza Field 40
Florence Gertrude Field 14
Sarah Brown 60
Harold Brown 16

will have a look to see if I can spot them in later ones..

[Darksecretz]

hmm I can't see Elizabeth at all Vacumatic, I can see and Elizabeth Munro with husband Donald but she comes from Scotland :( will keep looking

[Vacumatic]

Thanks Julie

I was pleased with what has been uncovered so far, I expected to find sheep stealers, vagabonds and miscreants so almost any family would have been a success but I understand completely what you are saying.

Victorian research I found fairly easy due to census and marriage records in agreement and also a family that seemed to stay put in one house, older records were of a family that stayed in one village, in Worcestershire. One was a church warden and had his name inscribed on the church bell, still there today.

[Darksecretz]

Amy Lunn 1901 census
she is a servant - cook domestic with a family called Latham in West Bromwich

there is a marriage in 1904 West Bromwich of
Amy Lunn to either Thomas Richard Perks or Joseph Edward Aspley

Thats excellent Janet, thank you, I will add this to the tree.

to be 100% sure that you are tracking the 'right' family you will either need to get the marriage cert OR a copy of the parish record [if they married ina church that is]
many people have come unstuck cos they thought they had the right people only to find out they were following the wrong family [which a cert would have sorted out from the get go]


am about to do school run/s etc but I will have another look when I get back.

[Vacumatic]

Thanks Sylvia.

Yes I think Eliza and Elizabeth are the same person.

[Sylvia C]

Did you know that there was an Eliza, b.ca 1871?

1881 Census

Tom Lunn 34 Glass Maker
Sarah Lunn 29
Eliza Lunn 10
Comfort Lunn 9
Amy Lunn 5




Was this Elizabeth ??????????? Sorry, I got confused when I saw the Eliza on the 1881 Census.

[Vacumatic]

I think that the last name was Hough, Chrissie and they married either 1910 or 1911

[Chrissie Smiff]

What was your grandmothers name please i.e. who did Arthur marry?

[Vacumatic]

Thats excellent Janet, thank you, I will add this to the tree.

[Janet H.]

Amy Lunn 1901 census
she is a servant - cook domestic with a family called Latham in West Bromwich

there is a marriage in 1904 West Bromwich of
Amy Lunn to either Thomas Richard Perks or Joseph Edward Aspley

[Vacumatic]

Thanks for coming back Julie.

Elizabeth

I found that she married Donald Monro and also on a passenger list for New York, I would love to know what became of them because their life in England was pretty grim

Arthur

He was my grandfather, I havent been able to find out much about him, not on the 1911 census and I cannot find a reliable death record

Amy

Cannot find a record of her marrying or death record, nor on the 1911 census. I suspect that she may have died before her time

Harold

Just yesterday I found that he died in 1979. I need to do some more searching in terms of other records. It was a shock to see on his birth certificate that his father signed his name with X.

[Darksecretz]

Hello,

do you have any idea what happened to the other children Arthur, Amy and Harold? [as you don't add years of death for them] have you tracked Elizabeth?