Surname with added letter!

[Katarzyna]

just checked again to remind myself OC. She is actually with grandparents David and Annie James. Funnily enough they have another granddaughter there named Florence A James aged 8. Rosa A Plant is 3. Both born Kings Norton.

On 'our'1881 Florence Plant is 6 born Yorkshire and Rose/Rosa A Plant is 2 born Deptford. Also of course is Ernest G Plant Aged 9 Born Cray Kent.

Yes, a bit worrying. Any sign of Rosa Plant the granddaughter of David James in 1891?


OC

The James on 1881 census I believe is Jones . The Rosa that Andrea is ordering has a mmn as Jones.

1871 census: Highgate Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England RG10 Piece number 3137 Folio 70 Page 40
David Jones Head - Male 59 1812 - Denbighshire, Wales Copper smith
Anne Jones Wife - Female 46 1825 - Worcestershire, England
Frances A Jones Daughter - Female 21 1850 - Warwickshire, England
Alfred E Jones Son - Male 15 1856 - Worcestershire, England
Arthur R Jones Son - Male 13 1858 - Worcestershire, England

On 1881 David's occ Plumber In Copper House

[Katarzyna]

marriages Dec 1872
JONES Frances Amelia Aston 6d 572
PLANT David James Aston 6d 572

[Andrea E P]

Spent most of Saturday, Sunday and Monday taking advantage of the free access, it's just this branch of the family that's proving elusive.

[Andrea E P]

So got the certificate this morning, it's not the Rosa/Rose Plant/Pleant that's my great great aunt. So where is she? The Charles Pleant person is being so elusive. Haven't found a birth, marriage or death certificate for him. He is named on Florence's birth certificate, and I've a photocopy of Rose's marriage certificate and he's named on that (deceased) but with a different occupation to that listed on Florence's birth certificate. Also having trouble tracking down Annie Maria Hughesman/Pleant after the 1881 census.

[Katarzyna]

Who are the parents and what are their occupations on that certificate Andrea? Just want to rule something out.

[Katarzyna]

Found Rosa on 1939 register:

78 Parish Lane , Beckenham M.B., Kent, England

James C Bradley 07 Nov 1878 Male Gold Blocker Book Binders Married 376 1
Rose A Bradley 27 Jul 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 376 2
Minnie Dann (Bradley) 03 Jun 1907 Female Kitchen Maid Single 376 3
Violet (Helen) Joynes (Bradley) 13 Mar 1918 Female Shirt Machinist Single 376 4
Rose M Hoorway (Cotman) 15 Dec 1927 Female At School Single 376 5

[Katarzyna]

Could this be them in 1891???

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
North Road, Bromley, Kent, England

George West Head Married Male 44 1847 Builders Labourer - Transcription
Annie West Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Bromley, Kent, England Transcription
George West Son Single Male 19 1872 Butchers Boy Bromley, Kent, England Transcription
Florence West Daughter - Female 16 1875 - Yorkshire, England Transcription
Rose West Daughter - Female 13 1878 - Middlesex, England Transcription
Alfred West Son - Male 3 1888 - Bromley, Kent, England Transcription
Betsy West Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Bromley, Kent, England Transcription
Arthur West Son - Male 0 1891 - Bromley, Kent, England

RG12
Piece number 630
Folio 4
Page 2

Not sure if it is even West on the image. Looks like there is an i in it somewhere. Perhaps someone with better eyesight than mine can have a look.

I won't be back til later tonight now. There are some more names to search for if this is right

[Chrissie Smiff]

I think you may have hit the nail on the head Kat. Alfred West is registered in Dec quarter 1887 in Bromley ....MMN Hughesman! I can't find a marriage of George West to Annie between 1881 and 1891 though. Definitely no marriage of a George Weist.

[Katarzyna]

1901 census
Eden Cottages, 1, St Marks Road, Croydon, Surrey, England

George West Head Married Male 54 1847 Domestic Gardener Diss, Norfolk, England
Annie West Wife Married Female 54 1847 - Bromley, Kent, England
Alfred West Son Single Male 13 1888 Laundry Boy Bromley, Kent, England
Bessie West Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - Bromley, Kent, England
Arthur West Son Single Male 10 1891 - Bromley, Kent, England
Albert Gibbs Nurse Child Single Male 4 1897 - Surrey, England
Richard Millis Boarder Single Male 30 1871 Builders Labourer Surrey, England

RG13
Piece number 648
Folio 44
Page 19

WEST, ARTHUR HUGHESMAN
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in BROMLEY Volume 02A Page 433

[Katarzyna]

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5 Brocklesbury Road South Norwood, Croydon, Surrey, England

George West Head Married Male Gardener Domestic 65 1846 Diss Norfolk
Anne West Wife Married Female - 65 1846 Bromley Kent
Alfred West Son Single Male Gardener Domestic 23 1888 Bromley Kent
Arthur West Son Single Male Gardener Domestic 20 1891 Bromley Kent
Albert West Son Single Male Errand Boy 14 1897 South Norwood Surrey
Louie Last Boarder Single Female Daily Servant Domestic 21 1890 Plaistow London

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[Andrea E P]

Who are the parents and what are their occupations on that certificate Andrea? Just want to rule something out.

Born15/09/1877-Rosa Annie-Father David James Plant mother Frances Amelia Plant formally Jones. Father was a boot and shoe salesman.

[Andrea E P]

That's something for me to look into. Thank you.

Ordered Ernest George Hughesman/Pleant/Plant/? death certificate. Tragic end appendicitis and peritonitis, one month after the death of his eldest daughter, she was 6.

[Chrissie Smiff]

I feel guilty about you sending for that birth record Andrea. I should have reminded you about my post #18 where I had looked and found that it was a different one.

[Andrea E P]

Don't worry. I wouldn't have got as far as I have without your help and advice. Rose/Rosa has got to be out there somewhere, she must have a birth certificate somewhere, surely.