Searching for Rev. Cooke in 18th Century Hampshire, England

[Chrissie Smiff]

This page may also be helpful to you Lily until you have made 10 posts - http://www.familytreeforum.com/showt...ages-%28PMs%29

[Lily1950]

Thank you all for your help. I have just sent qcg7248 another PM regarding the Cooke family. Hopefully we will now establish contact!

[Chrissie Smiff]

I have previously advised Lily about the postings etc Edna and also qcg as to why the PM's may not be working.

To send a Private Message you need to click on the name of the name of the person and you will find the Private Message link. To reply to one, Click on 'Reply to Private Message' and type your message below anything that they have written (including the final [QUOTE], tehn press send.

For detailed instructions - You will find the 'How to send and reply to Private Messages under Board FAQ's . If you scroll down the following page you will come to them -

http://www.familytreeforum.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_user_profile#faq_vb3_private_messages

If you are still having problems after Lily has made a minimum of 10 post and you have followed the above instructions, please don't hesitate to ask for help again.

[clematised]

Post as many messages on the boards as you can as it helps to have made ten messages to send and receive a PM
add your surnames to the surnames boards or write on the off topic boards, join the quizzes or anything just to get up to ten quickly.

Edna

[qcg7248]

Lily1950

I hope you get this. The site is very confusing to reply to. Yes I would like what details you have on Mary Cooke nee Hanmer. I thought i had sent you further info on Augustus Cooke's sons but won't repeat at this stage until I can sort out how to do a private message other than to say it seems strange that all three sons who survived infancy disappeared from records as far as I can tell as follows; Charles Augustus and Frederick after 1851 when they were at a small boarding school in Lambeth and Edward in 1871 who was at home aged 18 years living at home. If you get this let me know. My mother was a Cooke from a collateral line of Edward's from the Cook(e) family of Gloucester.

[qcg7248]

Edward Cooke and others

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qcg7248

I am having trouble replying to your private message. Is there an easier way?

I have sent a private message to qcg7248, who I think may have tried to reply, but the message is blank. I do have a little more information about Mary Cooke (née Hanmer) which I would be happy to share.

[Lily1950]

I have sent a private message to qcg7248, who I think may have tried to reply, but the message is blank. I do have a little more information about Mary Cooke (née Hanmer) which I would be happy to share.

[Lily1950]

I'm sorry - I should have said that Edward and Mary Cooke were my GGG grandparents.

[Lily1950]

qcg7278 Thank you so much for your message. It is indeed of assistance!

Edward and Caroline Cooke were my GGG grandparents. Everything you said about the family fits perfectly with what I knew and I am delighted to know the names of Edward's parents and brother. May I ask if you are connected to this family? Thank you again.

[Chrissie Smiff]

Hello qcg7248 and welcome to FTF
Lily hasn't been on the site for a couple of months, so I have sent her a PM to direct her to your reply.

[qcg7248]

Lily1950 - Edward was born in Gloucester City in 1769, baptism St Mary de Crypt 8/1769, the son of John Cook(1732-c1782), note no "e", an Apothecary and his wife Elizabeth Weaver(1737-aft1782) the daughter of Thomas Weaver the biggest pin manufacturer in Gloucester. Edward was a Surgeon in the Bengal Medical Service a division of the East India Company Civil Service. As of the 1700's he probably gained his surgeon skills by way of an apprenticeship possibly with a distant cousin in Gloucester. He died on the East Indiaman "Sir William Pulteney" on passage from Calcutta to Capetown. It is probable he was ill before he left India and was being sent home to England. It is not known if his wife Mary and three children were on the ship. The Reverend Gentleman in the family folklore was probably Edward's brother, the Rev. George Gooke(1760-1840) who served in two parishes in Gloucestershire his last parish being Tortworth near Bristol where he was Rector for many years and never married. George was appointed a guardian/mentor to Edwards's only son Augustus(Bengal1803-Camberwll, Surrey 1873) who became a G.P./Apothecary married 21/9/1835 at Halling, Kent Anne Hollingsworth (Ayrshire1810-Surrey1852). The two daughters, Ann Clark Coles Cooke(Bengal 1802-Surrey 1876) never married and Caroline(Bengal1805-Edinburgh1875) married the Rev. David Horne(1812-1863) at Duddingston, Midlothian, Scotland on 18/12/1832 had as a guardian/mentor Sir Robert Keith Dick(from the 1820's Dick-Cunyngham) who had married Harriet Hanmer a younger sister of Edward's wife Mary. Robert had been in the Bengal Civil Service(until he inherited the family estates about 1815) and a friend for some years of Edward in India.
The guardianship/mentoring of the children depended on conditions a number applying to whether Mary remarried and the timing of her death. I have no knowledge of when and where she died or whether she remarried. If you do it would be appreciated.
With regard to the spelling of "Cooke" prior to Edward's generation the usage was mainly "Cook" but not always. From Edward's generation down the tendency was to use "Cooke" but from time to time "Cook" can turn up until about 1851-1861. Trust this is of assistance.

[Lily1950]

I am sorry I haven't kept up with this thread - for some reason I did not receive any notification of new posts, and when I checked the forum I failed to notice that one has to move to the next page!

Regarding whether Edward was a surgeon or a physician, one of the links above (for which many thanks) led me to this on the Royal College of General Practitioners page where it states: "The term 'surgeon' traditionally described a person who performed operations with the use of surgical instruments. However some surgeons, particularly in the 19th century, also worked in other areas of medical practice." I will enquire as to where I can find copies of the publications mentioned.

Sue

[clematised]

http://www.rcgp.org.uk/about-us/history-heritage-and-archive/researching-a-medical-ancestor.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Edinburgh_Medical_School

Edna

[Olde Crone Holden]

Ah, right, thanks Linda.

He ought to be recorded somewhere as a surgeon in that case, must have gone to medical school.

OC

[ozgirl]

It's just that surgeons are normally called Mister, not Doctor and I wonder if someone misunderstood. Where is he recorded as Dr

(He could have been both, of course!)

OC

I forgot about that OC - in the announcement of his marriage in the papers in 1801 he is recorded as Mr not Dr, which I wondered about, but if he was a surgeon that makes sense.

[Olde Crone Holden]

It's just that surgeons are normally called Mister, not Doctor and I wonder if someone misunderstood. Where is he recorded as Dr

(He could have been both, of course!)

OC

[Lily1950]

Edward was definitely a Surgeon (his daughter died in Scotland and death records there show the names and professions of parents, which is most helpful). He is shown as "Edward Cooke, Surgeon, Honorable East India Company Service, Deceased". His father was, according to family lore, "Rev. Cooke of Hampshire".

Family lore could easily have skipped a generation. Some of the statements in the book are muddled but based on fact. I will try to pursue Rev. John (see above).

[Olde Crone Holden]

Was he definitely a surgeon and not a doctor of divinity?

OC

[ozgirl]

Here's another scenario for you - as Rev John died in 1744, and Elizabeth, relict to Rev in 1758, it seems reasonable to assume that she was Mrs John. So I did another search of baptisms and found they had a son John, born 23 Aug 1734, received into the church after private bapt. on 20 Sept 1734 at Winchester, parents Mr and Mrs Rev John and Elizabeth Cook.

So could family lore have missed out a generation, and Edward was grandson of the Rev? This will obviously need to be proved/disproved.

Mr & Mrs Rev had 6 children bapt at Winchester - Elizabeth, Francis, Mary, Rebekah, Ann and John

[Lily1950]

Thank you, Linda and Ann for your suggestions. I'm afraid the message on Ancestry boards was posted by me. I have been looking for Edward Cooke for a long time! I think his date of birth is more likely to be ca. 1770.

I don't think I have come across the birth of an Edward Cooke to Edward and Elizabeth in St Mary Bourne. I will look into that further.

Also I found a record on Ancestry (Hampshire Extracted Parish Records) as follows - "23 Sept 1758 Mrs Elizabeth Cooke, relict of Rev. Mr Cooke bur.". I am a bit confused because the Collection named is "Hampshire - Register of Marriages 1576-1812".

I am very grateful for the link to the Clergy Database. I have another very elusive clergyman on my husband's side of the family and have found one possible name, which I will also follow up.

One other thing, do you know anything about records for surgeons at that time? Edward must have trained somewhere. I think many doctors trained in Edinburgh. I have searched for him at the British Library as he was in the service of the East India Company. If I recall correctly, I found his name in a directory, but that's all. He died in 1810 as a result of a shipwreck off the Cape of Good Hope.

Thanks again!