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    #81
    1920

    http://interactive.ancestry.com/6061...cklabel=Return

    Imm year wrong as she wasn't born 1873
    Last edited by Elaine; 14-10-13, 21:59.
    Elaine

    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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      #82
      I found the marriage with the mother's maiden name and wanted to double check Helena the younger as I couldn't make out the Polish wording very well but can only find the one marriage using that combination. Don't think there is too much for Elizabeth, New Jersey.

      I can't work out a relationship with Knoll but I think 1930 is worth double checking round, keep coming back to it
      Last edited by Elaine; 14-10-13, 21:55.
      Elaine

      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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        #83
        I found 5 yrs difference in Immigration dates on 3 censuses for one of my Polish relatives and 2yrs difference on another. It helps if they are correct but as we know DOB etc are often out by several years.
        Kat
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          #84
          Originally posted by Elaine View Post
          I found the marriage with the mother's maiden name and wanted to double check Helena the younger as I couldn't make out the Polish wording very well but can only find the one marriage using that combination. Don't think there is too much for Elizabeth, New Jersey.
          What post is that? I can't see it.

          BTW Helena's daughter is illegitimate.
          Last edited by Katarzyna; 14-10-13, 22:06.
          Kat
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            #85
            Stan is in the directories which led me to


            U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
            Name: Stanislaus P Knoll
            Birth Date: 8 Mar 1854
            Birth Place: Gratz, Posen, Germany
            Age: 49
            Gender: Male
            Passport Issue Date: 9 May 1903
            Passport Includes a Photo: No
            Residence: Elizabeth, New Jersey
            Spouse Name: Helena Knoll BORN 22 OCT 1868
            Last edited by Elaine; 14-10-13, 22:17.
            Elaine

            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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              #86
              Kat...post #55 with parents names on marriage
              Elaine

              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                #87
                Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                Stan is in the directories which led me to


                U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
                Name: Stanislaus P Knoll
                Birth Date: 8 Mar 1854
                Birth Place: Gratz, Posen, Germany
                Age: 49
                Gender: Male
                Passport Issue Date: 9 May 1903
                Passport Includes a Photo: No
                Residence: Elizabeth, New Jersey
                Spouse Name: Helena Knoll BORN 22 OCT 1868
                This fits nicely with the baptism for Helene the elder 24 Nov 1868
                Kat
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                  #88
                  1900


                  1900 United States Federal Census about Helen Knall
                  Name: Helen Knall
                  Age: 30
                  Birth Date: May 1870
                  Birthplace: Poland, Germany
                  [Poland;Germany]
                  Home in 1900: Elizabeth Ward 3, Union, New Jersey
                  Race: White
                  Gender: Female
                  Immigration Year: 1893
                  Relation to Head of House: Wife
                  Marital Status: Married
                  Spouse's Name: Stanislas Knall
                  Marriage Year: 1894
                  Years Married: 6
                  Father's Birthplace: Poland, Germany
                  Mother's Birthplace: Poland, Germany
                  Mother: number of living children: 1
                  Mother: How many children: 1

                  Irene Birth
                  Date: Nov 1889
                  Immigration Year: 1898
                  Elaine

                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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                    #89
                    "My" Helena was born 1868.

                    But this is interesting. To Gratz went Helena before she went to USA:

                    Name: Stanislaus P Knoll

                    Birth Date: 8 Mar 1854
                    Birth Place: Gratz, Posen, Germany

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by flaneur87 View Post
                      "My" Helena was born 1868.

                      But this is interesting. To Gratz went Helena before she went to USA:

                      Name: Stanislaus P Knoll

                      Birth Date: 8 Mar 1854
                      Birth Place: Gratz, Posen, Germany
                      I think this IS your Helena, Pawel. The dates are often a little out on Censuses.


                      Elaine - that 1900 census is the one I posted in #69
                      Are you thinking Irene is Helene's daughter?
                      Kat
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                        #91
                        So not the right Helena or am I getting confused
                        Elaine

                        Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                        http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                        http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                          #92
                          https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K4YR-JYK


                          omg...

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                            #93
                            Wow, got to go to bed now
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                              #94
                              Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                              So not the right Helena or am I getting confused
                              No not confused look : 1910 census Irene daughter of Stan.

                              I think we are getting somewhere Pawel!!
                              I'm to bed too.

                              Staneslus P Knoll
                              56
                              abt 1854
                              Germany
                              Elizabeth Ward 8, Union, New Jersey
                              White
                              Male
                              1872
                              Head
                              Widowed
                              Germany
                              Germany
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                              Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Elizabeth Ward 8, Union, New Jersey; Roll: T624_910; Page: 17A; Enumeration District: 0073; FHL microfilm: 1374923.


                              Helen E. Knoll
                              4 Nov 1905
                              Linden, Union County, New Jersey, USA
                              http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...
                              Several of my Polish relatives lived in Elizabeth but were buried here at Linden which is just outside the city limits to the south.
                              Last edited by Katarzyna; 14-10-13, 23:42.
                              Kat
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                                #95
                                Helen second name was elisabeth. That she is.



                                What Franz (number 25) have in columns "Industry"?

                                http://interactive.ancestry.com/2442...l=ReturnRecord


                                God! Who is Franz?!

                                My aunt told me, some relative from USA sent dollars on christmas. It was long time after 2.WW. But Maria hadn't children (probably). Maybe Irene? She hadn't children too.
                                So last problem - Michalina. She arrived and what after...

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                                  #96
                                  1940 census
                                  Bayerlein Franz - lodger- single- age 34 Germany- Alien- (residence in 1935 - Basel Switzerland) -research worker - surveying political Germany???!!!

                                  Can't read occupation very well. will copy and paste that bit here in a minute.
                                  Name clearly looks like Bayerlein but transcribed by Ancestry as Bueclein.
                                  No wonder we have difficulty finding anything!!

                                  http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...off=&ml_rpos=1

                                  Last edited by Katarzyna; 15-10-13, 08:28.
                                  Kat
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                                    #97
                                    Oh good, that's what I had but it was getting late and I wasn't sure about Linden and there is again an age difference again from the directories but date matched death for Stan, hadn't found Helen

                                    His occupation if you hover over it comes up as research worker, it looks like political Germany in the other column...must get some bits done!

                                    KAT JUST ADDING IN HERE thought it looked like surveying
                                    Last edited by Elaine; 15-10-13, 18:57.
                                    Elaine

                                    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                      #98
                                      Girls, you 're amazing! Yours help is wonder.

                                      Now I'm looking for Michalina. And think, who sent dollars to Poland after 2. WW.

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                                        #99
                                        My surname is horrible to find ;)
                                        Last edited by flaneur87; 15-10-13, 18:45.

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                                          And Irene...Helen Irene died 1959

                                          http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...iv=1&ml_rpos=1

                                          and

                                          Franz Adam traveling to Helen's...COUSIN... travelling from BROTHER'S A Bayerlein...Adolf in Munich
                                          Last edited by Elaine; 15-10-13, 19:14.
                                          Elaine

                                          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

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