Lydalls again!! [sorry!!] USA searching needed

[Elaine]

Hi Julie

just catching up! 1 am always rubbish looking later so have you got


U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: William Henry Lydall
City: New Britain
County: Hartford
State: Connecticut
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1879
Race: White
Draft Board: 2

1918 Mildred named

[Darksecretz]

Hi Julie

just catching up! 1 am always rubbish looking later so have you got


U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: William Henry Lydall
City: New Britain
County: Hartford
State: Connecticut
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1879
Race: White
Draft Board: 2

1918 Mildred named

Hi Elaine,

yep I have that ta..

Linda, I didn't see that on the Passport *goes off to have a butchers*

[Darksecretz]

ah right, so, she sailed on the 28th Aug 1920 on the Aquatania.. England then France.. and she intends to return to USA within 1 year.

goes off to have another look to see if I can spot sommat!

[Darksecretz]

can anyone read the name at the bottom of the passport application please.... I think that the first name is Emil

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1174/USM1490_1313-0260/951911?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26ssrc%3dpt_t56322661_p32010859708_kpidz0q3d32010859708z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid_m1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dmildred%2be%26gsln%3dLydall%26msbdy%3d1884%26msbpn__ftp%3dNew%2bBritain%252c%2bHartford%252c%2bConnecticut%252c%2bUSA%26cpxt%3d1%26uidh%3dlg3%26msbdp%3d5%26cp%3d12%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d951911%26recoff%3d6%2b7%2b8%26db%3dUSpassports%26indiv%3d1&ssrc=pt_t56322661_p32010859708_kpidz0q3d32010859708z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid_m1&backlabel=ReturnRecord#?imageId=USM1490_1313-0260

why would you have a passport sent to someone that is NOT your husband?

[Darksecretz]

I have no idea what this is.. can anyone give any clues please

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1946/31040_220832-02616/424845?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26ssrc%3dpt_t56322661_p32010859708_kpidz0q3d32010859708z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid_m1%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dmildred%2be%26gsln%3dLidall%26msbdy%3d1884%26msbpn__ftp%3dNew%2bBritain%252c%2bHartford%252c%2bConnecticut%252c%2bUSA%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dlg3%26msbdp%3d2%26cp%3d0%26pcat%3d40%26h%3d424845%26recoff%3d6%2b8%26db%3dIndexCasesINS%26indiv%3d1&ssrc=pt_t56322661_p32010859708_kpidz0q3d32010859708z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid_m1&backlabel=ReturnRecord

[Elaine]

Just found this


Connecticut, Military Census, 1917
Name: William H Lydall
Birth Year: abt 1890
Age: 27
City: New Britain

if you have a look, I think it might read 37 as age

[Elaine]

I thought that about the passport, do you think Mildred is travelling with Lillian Allen looking at the passenger list
ger list?

[Elaine]

How about Emil J Wandberg....Clerk as well

[Elaine]

Lillian does go to France, address matches


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Lillian Allen
Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1921
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1890
Birth Location: Connecticut
Birth Location Other: New Britain
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Le Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Paris

but you can find her on more inc Bermuda 1922

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Lillian Allen
Name: Lillian Allen
Arrival Date: 27 Feb 1922
Birth Date: 1892
Birth Location: Connecticut
Birth Location Other: New Britain
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Hamilton,bmu
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Fort Hamilton

not sure if it helps

[ozgirl]

Re the passport - many thoughts, maybe if her marriage was breaking down she didn't want William to know she was leaving so had it delivered to a friend? Regarding the odd one at post 25, I looked at this too and I think it's for a Mildred Liddell who was Swedish and trying to get US citizenship - I don't think it's your Mildred.

[Darksecretz]

Just found this


Connecticut, Military Census, 1917
Name: William H Lydall
Birth Year: abt 1890
Age: 27
City: New Britain

if you have a look, I think it might read 37 as age

I thought that about the passport, do you think Mildred is travelling with Lillian Allen looking at the passenger list
ger list?

How about Emil J Wandberg....Clerk as well

Lillian does go to France, address matches


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Lillian Allen
Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1921
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1890
Birth Location: Connecticut
Birth Location Other: New Britain
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Le Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Paris

but you can find her on more inc Bermuda 1922

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Lillian Allen
Name: Lillian Allen
Arrival Date: 27 Feb 1922
Birth Date: 1892
Birth Location: Connecticut
Birth Location Other: New Britain
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Hamilton,bmu
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Fort Hamilton

not sure if it helps

Thanks hun, I really don't know what to think anymore...lol. it's like she just vanishes! I guess she could have been travelling with Lilian [though I have no idea who she is!]

Re the passport - many thoughts, maybe if her marriage was breaking down she didn't want William to know she was leaving so had it delivered to a friend? Regarding the odd one at port 25, I looked at this too and I think it's for a Mildred Liddell who was Swedish and trying to get US citizenship - I don't think it's your Mildred.

the more I delved into that swedish lady the more I think that she was just coincidental.

at least she is ruled out now.

I wonder if WHL just lived with Helen then, but passed her off as Mrs Lydall? which is why we can't find a marriage?

but I do think that it does seem odd that she should have a PP sent to someone other than her husband, but, it does throw up the theory as you say Linda, so perhaps this was her escape route like you say.

[ozgirl]

Also doubt that she would have gone to Bermuda for a divorce - Bermuda is a British overseas territory and therefore uses British Law. Would have been much more difficult to obtain a divorce there than in the US - if she could even have done so being a US citizen.

[Darksecretz]

Also doubt that she would have gone to Bermuda for a divorce - Bermuda is a British overseas territory and therefore uses British Law. Would have been much more difficult to obtain a divorce there than in the US - if she could even have done so being a US citizen.

mmm I guess so, I was just trying to think outside the box, [and not getting very far]

gonna call it a night, am pooped and need to rest my leg..

thanks Linda & Elaine for all the help, it is very much appreciated x

[ozgirl]

Sleep well!

[Darksecretz]

How about Emil J Wandberg....Clerk as well

I have just been looking at this, his name was Emil J DANBERG [if you look at the 'D' for Dentist on the back of Mildreds passport, [JR JOHNSON'S occupation] you can compare it, it looks the same].

anyhow, I have now found him in the census, interestingly, when he marries he has a daughter named Mildred!! [she later goes into the family business and works with her father] he becomes a lawyer.

so another dead end there!.

[ozgirl]

Hi Julie,following your post about WHL and Helen just living together, I checked back in the 1924 directory to see if Helen was at the same address as WHL but she is not listed. However there is a hotel at that address, so who knows!

Also , in the 1938 directory WHL and Helen are at 9 Summit Ave, and in 1941 (the next directory available) they are at 138 Kenoza Ave. Using a very handy website I found for tracking down the correct Enumeration District for addresses in the census, I had a trawl and found that in 1940 138 Kenoza was empty, and 9 Summit Ave was not mentioned, so unfortunately no joy there.

At the moment can't think of any other avenues of research!

By the way in the 1938 directory, Charles and Lucy are living at 123 Webster. He is retired.

[Darksecretz]

Hi Julie,following your post about WHL and Helen just living together, I checked back in the 1924 directory to see if Helen was at the same address as WHL but she is not listed. However there is a hotel at that address, so who knows!

Also , in the 1938 directory WHL and Helen are at 9 Summit Ave, and in 1941 (the next directory available) they are at 138 Kenoza Ave. Using a very handy website I found for tracking down the correct Enumeration District for addresses in the census, I had a trawl and found that in 1940 138 Kenoza was empty, and 9 Summit Ave was not mentioned, so unfortunately no joy there.

At the moment can't think of any other avenues of research!

By the way in the 1938 directory, Charles and Lucy are living at 123 Webster. He is retired.

ah thank you Linda, I think that my next course of action will be to see if I can find a marriage in England for Mildred [you never know!]

if I don't have any joy I will have to put her on the back burner for a while and concentrate on his sister Nettie b. 1877 [don't know what her 'proper' name is, but she is still alive by 1900 as lucy [mother] says that 2 born and 2 still alive. [though I realise that can be wrong sometimes]

I am then going to continue down the list of Lydalls I need to add to the tree and progressively get the census etc for them.

thanks for the info on Charles too, I'll make a note and add that when I get to him :smilee:

[Darksecretz]

can I pick your brain again Linda? I know the address 272 Main, New Britain, Conn, but can't place it, can you have a look please and put me out of my misery am going daft[er] here trying to remember!! ta

[ozgirl]

Not sure exactly what you're after - 272 Main seems to be a big office building, it's where Mildred had her passport sent. There is a Dentist practice there run by Albert Johnson, maybe JR Johnson who signed her passport app. practiced there. Here is a link to the entry in 1919

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/...945&sid=&gskw=


Ooh - just seen - Emil Danberg, a lawyer has his office there too - makes more sense as the passport is addressed to him.

[Darksecretz]

in 1930 William & Helen are at 40 Newcomb Street, Haverhill, Essex, Mass