Walcot Joshua Harvey

[Olde Crone Holden]

Ah, not you then!

If you go to Freebmd as given in post #24, then enter Walcot Harvey, you will get four results. Two (three?) of the results have a post it note by them, giving details from the certificates. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a contact address for the poster, but you could add your own comment, asking the poster to get in touch with you.

OC

[Darksecretz]

I am not sure what you mean by freebmd. Is it a site?

Yes, it gives FREE Birth/Marriage/Death references for all of the UK, you need to enter names/dates and a rough area but, you should be able to get to grips with it fairly well. (click on the link that Bob has posted below)

http://freebmd.org.uk/

[bobdonk]

http://freebmd.org.uk/

[AndrewCrawley]

I am not sure what you mean by freebmd. Is it a site?

[Olde Crone Holden]

If the post it notes on freebmd are not by you, then someone else is following this exact family.

OC

[Darksecretz]

what about this one for her?

1891: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...ki1891&indiv=1

[AndrewCrawley]

WJ Harvey marriage cert.jpg
Elizabeth Hopkins father on the marriage cert is shown as Isaac Hopkins (deceased) Using this information I have details of Elizabeth living in Bray, Berkshire, where she was born. This is a small village a short way up the river Thames from Windsor where Walcot Harvey was a sergeant at Victoria Barracks. I can't find a 1891 census for Elizabeth but at 20yrs old she may have been in service or similar.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Canda

Are the post-it notes on Freebmd yours?

Walcot junior's mother is given as Selina Dodd.

OC

[Darksecretz]

oh and her fathers name/occ would be good too.. please

[Darksecretz]

what a complicated life to lead... I wonder what lead him to deceive so much?

who were the witness' on Walcots marriage to Elizabeth please, and have you tracked her in the census?

[Olde Crone Holden]

So let me get my head round this. Walcot and Elizabeth parted and he lived with Selina. Elizabeth had more children by unknown, but Elizabeth and Walcot conspired together to tell the Army authorities that all four children were his.

Or are you saying that Selina registered her chldren using the maiden name of Hopkins?

Actually, the scenario isn't that uncommon, we have had quite a few army personnel pretending that the children of an affair are the legitimate children of a marriage and registering the children in the legal wife's name. He was taking a bit of a chance though, especially with his job!

As to what happened to Elizabeth, well, she's going to be quite difficult to trace with such a common name. It might pay to try to trace Walcot junior forward to see if his descendants know anything.

OC

[AndrewCrawley]

He served in the Boer War in the Scots Guards and was wounded in the leg.

[AndrewCrawley]

Hello
I have a marriage certificate for the marriage between Selina Dodd and Bernard Vincent Alwood in Guernsey. A record of the birth of their son, Edward Vincent and the 1911 census showing Selina with Walcot Harvey in Islington. (with Edward Vincent shown as their son)

I have marriage certificate for Walcot Joshua Harvey and Elizabeth Hopkins in 1903.

Interestingly, the mother's maiden name of Walcot's subsequent children is shown as Hopkins. The first world war records show next of kin as Hopkins, and the beneficiary of Walcot's will is Hopkins.

There seems little doubt, though, that the woman who he spent his 'married' life with was Selina Ruth Ann Dodd.
She spoke very little English in the beginning and later with a heavy French accent. She was always known as Selina to her children, who were under the impression she was from the Channel Islands.

It seems that Walcot perpetuated the myth to the authorities that he was still married to Elizabeth Hopkins, but to his family he was 'married'
to Selina.

I suppose my main interest is to find out what happened to Elizabeth.

Jan100018.jpg
Walcot is the gentleman in the bowler and moustache on duty as a Railway Detective.

[Darksecretz]

according to his service recs, he was also in the Scots Guards.. prior to enlisting for WWI, has anyone found these?

[Olde Crone Holden]

I'm not sure, but I THINK the service record would only record legitimate children from his marriage, as they are his legal dependents.

I have recently received the service records of someone who was running two families concurrently, but only the legitimate children (from the marriage) are on the record.

EDIT - the youngest child (I haven't checked the others) is registered as a child of the marriage, so he was still, erm, cohabiting with his wife in 1917.

OC

[bobdonk]

Hm, going by that, it looks as if he was running two families at the same time.

But just one set of children?

[Olde Crone Holden]

Hm, going by that, it looks as if he was running two families at the same time.

OC

[bobdonk]

This is image from his war record shows that he is still married to Elizabeth . This confilcts with the 1911 census record.

[Darksecretz]

aha!

Name: Walcot Joshua Harvey
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1903
Registration district: Windsor
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 696

Elizabeth Hopkins


I cannot see a 'marriage' for Walcot to Selina, unless they married in Guernsey? which is looking likely as the first son was born there in 1906.

[Darksecretz]

oh its ok.. I think I understand now, the other 'spouses' are previous ones?