good morning ..can someone confirm my findings please !

[Elaine ..Spain]

Rachel, I think it is classed as Cheshire on census and civil registration.

[Rachel Scand]

Thanks Elaine ~ giving up :( ~ can't find anything useful

[Elaine ..Spain]

I'm struggling to find anything either. I have tried to do an address search on the info you have given Allan, but nothing showing relating to a William Stillitoe.

Libby - can you fill us in with what you have got about the family.
Why do you think Mary was born in Neston?
Do you have the 1891 and 1901 census?
Did Mary and William Hayes have any children?
Where was Mary living when she married?
Who were the witnesses?

[garstonite]

sorry girls ...spent the day at the caravan getting her ready for the weekend....we need Libby to put us wise with where she got her info ,apart from Marys Marriage Cert...........allan

[OLDnBOLD]

Hi Allan,

Mary Sillitoe is my Great Grandmother, I have her photograph taken just before she died in 1942.

Nige

[garstonite]

Thats great news Nige,,,,as you can see I was helping OZLIBBY because my family were from Neston and I had a few pointers for her....I have PM`d Libby with the good news....when she gets in touch I`ll let you know....allan.....and thank you all for your help......FTF has another contact success.....:D

[~~Lesley~~]

Neston was classed as Cheshire whilst Liverpool was Lancashire. I remember reading a thread recently on another site about people from the Wirral marrying in Liverpool & apparently it was quite common.

[garstonite]

Yes Lesley...some of mine did....St Nicholas was a bit like Gretna Green...as they just put up the bans and didn`t ask questions....allan;)

[OLDnBOLD]

Mary Sillitoe

Hiya, just got in from work.
Mary Sillitoe 1859-1942 born in Gayton, F. Daniel, M. Mary Barlow. She married only once to John Edwin Hall b.1852, a train driver from Wappenham, Northants who died in 1906. He was previously married to Eliza Bennett from Crick and had three girls, one or two emigrated to Oz (my Nan always said that she had half sisters).
John and Mary had May, Emma (known as Elsie), William and Jessie (my Nan), Sadly, May died in 1939 - probably doped with morphine in Clatterbridge hospital. I have a photo taken by William Hall in Heswall of Mary, May and William's lady, Sarah Olive Randles who may have been married to him at that time or not as yet. I guess that the photo was snapped around 1939.
I have researched the Sillitoes back to Audlem in Cheshire (maybe even Wybunbury). One branch might be in West Kirby these days and I have been told that a Percy Sillitoe was very, very high up in the Police Force.
Nige

[Mary from Italy]

If it's this one, he was Director-General of MI5...

Percy Sillitoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ozlibby]

Dear FTF friends,

I am so sorry I haven't been part of this discussion. I have only just found you thanks to Garsonite! I found it difficult to navigate my way to you. Now I am here!! I know from Marriage Cert that Mary was married in Liverpool to William Hayes, her father was William Sillitoe, labourer. William and Mary had a daughter Elizabeth who is my gg grandmother. Alas, the Mary that Nige has is another Mary, it is possible she was recorded as Agnes Mary or Mary Agnes, I will dig up what I have here but I am away now till Sunday out in the Australian bush - so offline till next week. Thank you all again for your valiant efforts to help. I really appreciate it.

Libby

[OLDnBOLD]

Mary Sillitoe

Actually MI5 sounds about right, Mary, thanks for confirming this.

Sorry about misleading you, Libby, my Mary Sillitoe married in 1895 in Liverpool.

Nige

[ozlibby]

Hi

Marriage Cert has Albert Loder and Louise Sweet as witnesses. I have 1891 Census living in Wallasey William 27, Agnes (Mary) 27, and children Agnes 3, Anne 4, Edith 1, Elizabeth 6.

Perhaps the Neston birth is a red herring?

I think the promising one is the Christening in 1860 although the dates aren't quite right I guess ages were not always accurate?

Any suggestions on finding the birth?

Libby

[ozlibby]

William Sillitoehttp://www.familytreeforum.com/images/smilies/pidgin/default/question

Hi

Just following my nose here on LDS and found William C Silitoe on the 1881 Census living in Cheshire with wife Mary and presume kids had grown and left home. This is possibly the parents of my Mary Agnes Sillitoe but I need help with previous census data. I can't find the marriage of these two either.

So...can someone help with earlier census for William and Mary Silitoe and possibly with a marriage? She was born in Sussex in 1831 so maybe the marriage is over that way? I have been looking in Lanc and Chesh. - I don't know if this is them but perhaps a census with daughter mary agnes will help to confirm? William says born in Liverpool which is encouraging. Although he was listed as labourer on his daughter's wedding cert on the 1881 C it says commercial clerk, cotton broker - is that a likely career change?


thanks for any help you can give.

Libby

[ozlibby]

Mary Sillitoe

Hi Nige,

Not giving up on you yet, do you have names of grandparents? they might be cousins?

Lib:D

[Elaine ..Spain]

1861 census
RG9; Piece: 2637; Folio: 48; Page: 19
- Ancestry.co.uk

Household
William C Sillitoe 31
Mary S E Sillitoe 35
Alice M Sillitoe 6
Adeline Sillitoe 4
Charles E Sillitoe 2
Alfred E Sillitoe 2 Mo
Isabella Caveen 18 - servant
Christina E C Broadbent 3

1871 census - mistranscribed on Ancestry as Lillitoe
RG10; Piece: 3795; Folio: 20; Page: 33
- Ancestry.co.uk

Household
William C Lillitoe 41
Mary S E Lillitoe 40
Adeline Lillitoe 14
Charles E Lillitoe 12
Henry E Lillitoe 5
Edith M Lillitoe 1
Jessie Christie 23 - servant

[Elaine ..Spain]

This looks like their marriage:

Marriages Jun 1851
Mary Stening Edgecombe Davey / William Charles Sillital
W. Derby 20 930

Mary was recorded as Mary S E Sillitoe in the 1861/1871 census so the initials fit nicely! (details above),

In 1851 she is living with her family in Toxteth Park:
HO107; Piece: 2186; Folio: 448; Page: 10
Household
Henry Edger Davey 52 - head - born Cornwall (occ. leather dealer)
Garce Edg Davey 62 - wife - born Midhurst
Eliz Jane Eng Daney 28 - daughter, born Midhurst
Mary S Cage Daney 26 - daughter, born Midhurst

[kylejustin]

i saw the same marriage. :o

[garstonite]

Big family of Davey here in Garston....the Tannery here only closed recently...I am friends with the Davey family....I just wonder if these are descendants of Henry Davey....allan

[ozlibby]

this is really great and super speedy help!
I wonder where daughter Mary is though?