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    PeterJ


    Well done Peter, I hope you manage to get a few walls knocked down
    Barbara

    #2
    Many thanks - I'm delighted.

    My first and hardest problem I'm told is impossible to solve.

    My Great Grandparents were classed as aliens having been born in Russian Poland and fleeing to England in the 1890s.

    But their real names were never used after arriving here although I don't think they changed them legally - just started calling themselves Terry. Legend has it , after a bar of chocolate somebody gave them on arrival.
    They appear on the 1901 census living in Bethnal Green
    Joseph Terry b about 1873
    Rose Terry nee Heller b about 1877
    (plus 3 children who I know all about )

    Grandfather's birth certificate from 1897 gives same details.

    They later moved to Manchester .

    I think this is a dead end - should I draw a line under it ?

    Peter
    Last edited by PeterJ; 14-08-09, 14:28.

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      #3
      Doris E Jones

      My Aunt

      Doris E Jones born in Birmingham 1920.

      Was married but can find no record

      Peter

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        #4
        Originally posted by PeterJ View Post
        My Aunt
        Doris E Jones born in Birmingham 1920.
        Was married but can find no record
        I think this is almost impossible to find unless you have more information.
        Do you have any idea of a date or place of marriage?
        Do you know the names of any children, with approx year of birth.

        Doing a search on Ancestry for any marriage of Doris E Jones from 1940 -1960 gives 186 possible marriages.
        Of course there is always the possibility that she was just recorded as Doris Jones, in which case there are another 1400 possibles!
        Elaine







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          #5
          Beard family

          Beards of Canterbury, Kent

          1841 census has
          William Beard aged 55 a Cordwainer
          Sarah Beard also 55 wife

          1851
          William Beard a widower b 1847 a Shoemaker (same thing)
          Caroline Cox a widow b 1812 in Deal
          Richard Beard Cox , given as Caroline's son. b about 1845

          They appear to have married on the BMD in 1851
          He died 1855

          1861
          Richard Beard age 15 Permanent Infantry , Canterbury

          1871 NOTHING

          1881
          Now in Hulme Manchester
          Richard Beard b 1847 a Police Constable
          Emma Beard b 1851 in Dover
          plus a son aged 6 also Richard

          ------------
          Questions.


          William (b1784) Parents ?
          wife Sarah's maiden name ?

          Nothing for Richard in 1871 - I think he could have been in India quelling the Mutiny. Possible ?

          Can't find wedding to Emma .

          Any help appreciated Pete

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            #6
            Possible marriage

            Marriages Jun 1873
            Beard Richard
            Glover Emma
            Dover volume 2a page 1330

            The birth certificate of Richard W Beard would help to prove it is the right one.

            Possible birth registration for Richard
            Births Mar 1875
            Beard Richard William
            Farnham vol 2a page 93
            Elaine







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              #7
              Originally posted by PeterJ View Post
              My Great Grandparents were classed as aliens having been born in Russian Poland and fleeing to England in the 1890s.

              But their real names were never used after arriving here although I don't think they changed them legally - just started calling themselves Terry. Legend has it , after a bar of chocolate somebody gave them on arrival.
              They appear on the 1901 census living in Bethnal Green
              Joseph Terry b about 1873
              Rose Terry nee Heller b about 1877
              (plus 3 children who I know all about )

              Grandfather's birth certificate from 1897 gives same details.

              They later moved to Manchester .

              I think this is a dead end - should I draw a line under it ?
              I don't think this is necessarily a dead end.

              On the 1901 census, against the names of Joseph and Rose it says "B.S." which means British subject. That means they were naturalised, so there should be a record somewhere.

              Some naturalisations appear in the Gazette; I've had a very quick look, but I can't see them:

              London Gazette Home Page

              Some naturalisations are online on the National Archives site, but again, I can't see them:

              Quick search

              However, there should be a record at Kew.

              The National Archives holds duplicate naturalisation certificates from 1844 to 1969.
              Between 1870 and 1969, duplicate naturalisation certificates can be found in HO 334.
              Indexes are kept at The National Archives.
              The National Archives | Getting started | Family History | Naturalisation

              As a matter of interest, how do you know they came from Russian Poland?
              Last edited by Mary from Italy; 14-08-09, 16:30.

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                #8
                Russian Poland

                Hi Mary
                Thanks for that information.
                They are down as Russian Poles on the census & my Grandma said she thought they came from Warsaw. I asked if she knew their real name and she
                said "Something-offski". That's as much as anyone knew.
                He had to go to the Police station regularly to sign something which made me assume he was an alien.
                I asked at Manchester Police Station once but they said all the alien records had been lost in a fire.
                Regards Peter

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PeterJ View Post
                  William (b1784) Parents ?
                  wife Sarah's maiden name ?
                  I think the only way you are going to get leads on these is via the parish registers.
                  In 1851 William gives his place of birth as St Mary Northgate, Canterbury, which is the same parish as he is living in 1841 - so that would be a good place to start.
                  Do you have a LDS centre local to you - if you do you can order the film of the BT´s for St. Mary Northgate to see if they contain anything useful.
                  Title details ('Archdeacon's transcripts, 1563-181 ')
                  Elaine







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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PeterJ View Post
                    I asked at Manchester Police Station once but they said all the alien records had been lost in a fire.
                    I wouldn't take too much notice of that. It's definitely worth trying at Kew.

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                      #11
                      There are some links in the Wiki which may be helpful for Russian and Polish research:

                      Poland - Family Tree Forum
                      Russia - Family Tree Forum

                      I don't suppose they were Jewish, were they? That makes a difference to where you should be searching.

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                        #12
                        The 1851 Marriage for William to Caroline should hopefully give you his fathers name.
                        Fiona. xx

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                          #13
                          Were they Jewish? Seems likely even if they stopped practising. I have some similar relatives on my husband's side and found graves in the local Jewish graveyard. Jewish Gen may be helpful.

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                            #14
                            Sorry Mary - didn't see your post.

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                              #15
                              Jewish ?

                              Hi Trina

                              No, Catholic actually.

                              Best regards Peter

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