Topliff marriage, Derby/ Burton on Trent area

[GrandmaSilver]

I don't know if you have seen this, it makes interesting reading but doesn't help with your search.
Moggie

The healthy children who were hospitalised for their own good - Bygone Derbyshire | Bygone Derbyshire

Oh THANK YOU! It is the same family. Just found out that some of the children went into care for a while when Mary Ann aka Polly had a breakdown after John Robert Topliff died.

[GrandmaSilver]

Here are possibly four of the five missing children:


Ada Lilian born Dec 1896 - no death reg found

George Arthur born Jun 1898 no death found

Samuel Charles born Sep 1900/died Dec 1900

Percival born Mar 1904 died June 1904.

OC

Thanks Old Crone

[GrandmaSilver]

It is said that John fathered 22 children altogether!

Can I ask the question, where did this information come from? Did John Robert leave a will that mentions children other than those born within his 2 marriages?
Moggie

It was passed down through several parts of the family. The most recent being John Roberts grand daughter through her father Ernest Osmond Topliff. Apparently Ernest left home at an early age because he fell out with his father when Mary Ann came to live with them. He married Mary Ann Jan 1918.

[GrandmaSilver]

Grandmasilver,

Was your John Robert Topliff born 9 Oct 1864, have a brother called William born 28 Oct 1861 and parents John Topliff abt 1830 Rocester Staffordshire, died 14 Dec 1867 Carnforth Lancashire and Elizabeth Freakes.

I only have a little bit of info on them, if they are the same people, John sr married my great aunt Emma/ Emily Fletcher in 1857, she died a year later and he married Elizabeth in 1861 she died in 1906

John Robert Topliff married Ada Thompson in 1893

John and Emma`s marriage was also transcribed as Topliss, i have a copy of the register page for this marriage and can see why it was mistranscribed

Sylvia

Yes , this is the same family.

[Ozzie Gert]

I have just read the article that Moggie put up and i can remember going to Mill Hill clinic for sun ray treatment, you had to strip down to your knickers for it and sit on a wooden bench in front of the lamps.

Sylvia

[Ozzie Gert]

Grandmasilver,

Was your John Robert Topliff born 9 Oct 1864, have a brother called William born 28 Oct 1861 and parents John Topliff abt 1830 Rocester Staffordshire, died 14 Dec 1867 Carnforth Lancashire and Elizabeth Freakes.

I only have a little bit of info on them, if they are the same people, John sr married my great aunt Emma/ Emily Fletcher in 1857, she died a year later and he married Elizabeth in 1861 she died in 1906

John Robert Topliff married Ada Thompson in 1893

John and Emma`s marriage was also transcribed as Topliss, i have a copy of the register page for this marriage and can see why it was mistranscribed

Sylvia

[Olde Crone Holden]

Here are possibly four of the five missing children:


Ada Lilian born Dec 1896 - no death reg found

George Arthur born Jun 1898 no death found

Samuel Charles born Sep 1900/died Dec 1900

Percival born Mar 1904 died June 1904.

OC

[Olde Crone Holden]

Ada died in 1905 and one is led to wonder why he didn't marry again until 1918, unless Ms Kay was already married.

I cannot find a relevant marriage for a Topliff/Topliss between 1905-1918. The only children born as Topliff which I cannot account for, have mother's maiden name as Owens, and these were born after 1914.

OC

[maudarby]

It is said that John fathered 22 children altogether!

Can I ask the question, where did this information come from? Did John Robert leave a will that mentions children other than those born within his 2 marriages?
Moggie

[Olde Crone Holden]

Moggie


Ooooh, WELL DONE! What a find! It has to be the same Constance, and 15 children is exactly right, if John William died and was replaced by John Robert, and Ada Annie died and was replaced by Ada.

OC

[maudarby]

I don't know if you have seen this, it makes interesting reading but doesn't help with your search.
Moggie

The healthy children who were hospitalised for their own good - Bygone Derbyshire | Bygone Derbyshire

[Olde Crone Holden]

Problem is, if you don't know the other "lady" or ladies, lol, you would just have to get every Topliss birth in Derby, which would be expensive - and the children may not have been registered as Topliss anyway.

OC

[GrandmaSilver]

Thanks Guys Derby 7b 844 is the right one!

Can you help with any more children to Ada, Mary or anyone else?
Father John Robert Topliff/Topliss.
These are the ones I have:

Mother Ada

John William c1894 Derby
Ernest Osmond 1895 Derby
Albert Edward c1897 Derby
Douglas Leslie c1899 Derby
Stanley 1901 Derby

Mother Mary Ann Kay all Derby

Gladys 1908
Mary Elizabeth 1909
Ada Annie 1910
Ada 1912
George Alfred 1914
Henry 1918
Ethel May 1920
Elsie M 1922
Florence Elizabeth 1923
John Robert 1925
Constance 1927
Frank Reginald 1929

[Olde Crone Holden]

It is on Freebmd, but should also appear on Ancestry - use TopliSS as spelling though.

OC

[GrandmaSilver]

How do I find Derby 7b 844?
I have a membership for Ancestry.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Moggie

I'm glad you said that, cos when I look at it properly, it is John ROBERT Topliss, lol!

OC

[GrandmaSilver]

The marriage of Ada E Thompson in 1899 was to Thomas Hall.

[maudarby]

Hi OC
We are looking for a marriage for John Robert, John William was the son.
Moggie

[Olde Crone Holden]

Moggie

Do you not think the one I posted is right, then?

OC

[maudarby]

There's a tree on Ancestry which says the marriage took place Nov 1899 in
Burton-Upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England but I can't seem to find it on FreeBMD.
Moggie