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    good morning ...I am trying to help my cousins daughter and her husband who live in America...trying to find her grandparents birth dates on her fathers side....(her mum is an Oakes from Garston)...BTW this couple joined FTF on Thursday,so if you see burletonb could you please welcome them..cheers
    .
    the marriage is in the Mar Qtr 1922 in Eastbourne...
    Robin G Burleton marries Winifred E J Morley...

    the marriage and their 4 children are on freebmd...but I have been on freebmd and cannot find the birth of Robin G Burleton...
    there are 2/3 possibles for Winifred E J Morley..but not actually down as EJ ...any advice or ideas please....allan
    Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
    oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
    adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
    merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
    coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

    #2
    dont know where he came from I suppose?
    Jess

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      #3
      1911

      BURLETON ROBIN GROVES M 1895 16 Eastbourne Sussex

      whats the betting he's Robin Groves?

      in the household
      BURLETON SARAH ANN F 1854 57 Eastbourne Sussex < Granny possibly?
      BURLETON WINIFRED LYDIA GROVES F 1898 13 Eastbourne Sussex sister?

      winnie marries Sydney R Hunnisett in Jun 1917 Eastbourne
      Last edited by Jessbowbag; 02-05-09, 08:11.
      Jess

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        #4
        yes Jess...they are all from Eastbourne.....don`t quite understand....what do you mean ...what`s the betting he`s Robin Groves ?...do you mean on freebmd....?....goes to check....Barbara ( burletonb , a new member ) has said she wants to go back to her g grandparents....obviously I have the Oakes family back to 1754....
        what`s the betting she gets addicted to researching her dads family,the Burletons from Eastbourne....:D...thanks Jess.....allan;)
        Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
        oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
        adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
        merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
        coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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          #5
          Hang on ,...
          found 1901 I think...

          Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2399; Folio: 85; Page: 1.

          Sarah A Burleton
          43
          Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
          Husbands name: George Born Portbury, Somerset

          Where born: Lewes, Sussex, England << right sort of place

          with them,

          George Burleton 9
          Robin Burleton 6
          Winnie Burleton 4

          all 3 children born: Bristol!
          AND they are their sons & daughters, not grandkids
          ------------------------------------

          1891 pre children
          Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1968; Folio 136; Page 21; GSU roll: 6097078.

          George is a Pork Butcher/grocer
          14 Worrall Rd
          Last edited by Jessbowbag; 02-05-09, 08:26.
          Jess

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            #6
            thanks very much Jess...you`re a gem....Barbara will be delighted with the info....thanks again....allan;);)
            Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
            oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
            adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
            merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
            coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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              #7
              poss marriage?
              Marriages Sep 1888
              BOSWELL Julia Edmonton 3a 389
              Burleton George Edmonton 3a 389
              KNIGHT Sarah Anni Edmonton 3a 389
              YEULETT Harry Charles Edmonton 3a 389

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                #8
                The only marriage i can see for George, right time frame is

                Marriages Sep 1888
                Burleton George Edmonton 3a 389
                KNIGHT Sarah Anni Edmonton 3a 389


                Edmonton????????

                sorry got to go now, hope you get it sorted
                Jess

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                  #9
                  Thanks Jess.....will check it out now....appreciate your help this morning....cheers...allan;)
                  Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                  oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                  adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                  merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                  coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                    #10
                    alan, i cant see a birth for robin or winifred.

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                      #11
                      good morning Kyle....Jess has them on the 1901 census....I can`t find their births on freebmd....just checked freebmd for a birth in Lewes for Sarah A Knight....and she`s there born Dec Qtr 1857...so that ties in with the 1888 marriage you and Jess have posted....thank you both....so according to the census
                      goerge b 1892
                      ROBIN GROVES BURLETON b 1895
                      winifred b 1897.............all born Bristol..........
                      so I now have all Barbaras g grandparents EXCEPT WINIFRED E J MORLEY parents...I`ll get them by the end of the weekend....cheers...allan;)
                      Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                      oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                      adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                      merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                      coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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                        #12
                        Although it says in 1901 that the children were born in Bristol, in 1911 Robin and Winifred are shown as born in Lewes, Sussex.

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                          #13
                          No sign of their births on FreeBMD, though.

                          I suppose this might be Robin:

                          Births Jun 1895
                          Burleton Male Camberwell 1d 868

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                            #14
                            I think your relative will have to get the marriage cert for Robin and Winifred, to find out their ages and parents' names (especially Winifred's).

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                              #15
                              i didn't find any robin's for you under burleton, in fact you can just put the name in and find everyone, there's not many. but your kids didn't show up. i think they could have been illegitimate.

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                                #16
                                What about this almost right death (you said Winifred E J):

                                Name: Winifred Nancy J Burleton
                                Birth Date: 3 Aug 1902
                                Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1984
                                Age at death (estimated): 82
                                Registration district: Eastbourne
                                Inferred County: Sussex
                                Volume: 18
                                Page: 516

                                with this matching birth:

                                Births Sep 1902
                                Morley Winifred Nancy J Hailsham 2b 100

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                                  #17
                                  Winifred Morley's mother must have remarried and Winifred was called Penfold in 1911:

                                  Marriages Dec 1905
                                  GEEAR Alma Charlotte Eastbourne 2b 190
                                  MORLEY Nancy Jane Eastbourne 2b 190 <<<<<<<<<Winifred's mum
                                  PENFOLD John Eastbourne 2b 190 <<<<<<<<<<<<<step-dad
                                  WOODS Thomas Eastbourne 2b 190

                                  1911:

                                  John Penfold 53
                                  Nancy Jane Penfold 34
                                  John Penfold 25
                                  May Penfold 11
                                  Winifred Nancy Jane Penfold 8
                                  Amelia Lucy Penfold 3
                                  John N Peter Penfold 1

                                  living in Eastbourne District.

                                  I guess John aged 25 is the son of John 53 from a prev marriage.

                                  Nancy is listed as wife and it's John senr who is head of house. I suppose it's possible she could be married to either of them!!! I typed them in the order above - I don't know the order on the actual census sheet.

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                                    #18
                                    Ah! If I look at the 1901 census there are two Nancy Morleys (same age) in Eastbourne! One is born in Sussex and has middle initial J whilst the other is from Nottingham. The Sussex girl was born in Wartling according to 1901 and in 1911 Nancy Penfold is also born Wartling, so I should think Nancy J Morley in 1901 is her. She's single!! So forget what I said about a re-marriage!!

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                                      #19
                                      John Penfold 25 and May Penfold 11 are both the children of John Penfold senr with his first wife, Harriet (they are tog in 1901).

                                      Harriet's death (not long before the second marriage!)

                                      Deaths Jun 1905
                                      Penfold Harriett 42 Eastbourne 2b 41

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                                        #20
                                        thanks very much Merry....I seen the Winifred Nancy J Morley on freebmd and thought it was a possible....good detective work that....you are a big help...thanks again......allan;)
                                        Allan ......... researching oakes/anyon/standish/collins/hartley/barker/collins-cheshire
                                        oakes/tipping/ellis/jones/schacht/...garston, liverpool
                                        adams-shropshire/roberts-welshpool
                                        merrick/lewis/stringham/nicolls-herefordshire
                                        coxon/williamson/kay/weaver-glossop/stockport/walker-gorton

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