Rosina Alice Gurry

[cbcarolyn]

I have started a tree for a friend and seem to be getting stuck every line! This one is the trickiest atm, someone has managed to morph her into Gray on ancestry which I am not liking at all, and pretty sure this is wrong. I have her birth cert pdf and there is no father.

https___www.gro.gov.uk_gro_content_certificates_ov_00000075228480023109_4954722_3XIXWBB19IBKFXD.jpg

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/193937878/person/182525608747/facts

trying to trace 1871 in the hope Mum and child together so that I can find mother pob but having no luck.

the 1891 I have a possible here, is just a guess, and may be completely wrong.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/193937878/person/182525624735/facts

there is a removal order stating Elizabeth Williams properly Gurry, and living in Edmonton could be her, in 1919

[Lin Fisher]

I've had a quick look and not doing very well. Don't have Ancestry so can't see what you have copied for us.

Have found in 1881 Rosina Garry as a Scullery maid aged 19.

Also 1861 Elizabeth Gurry born 1842 Sutton Bedfordshire in Islington as a sister, There are quite a few Gurry's on the page.

If these are what you have posted sorry.

[cbcarolyn]

Yes I have the 1881 for Rosina - hoping it is her

I have so many conflicting ones, I have this only atm for Elizabeth, will look at 1861

I have 1891 - but may not be her. I think I need to get her birth cert - will see if there is a PDF

Name Elizabeth Gurry
Gender Female
Age 52
Relationship Servant
Birth Year 1839
Birth Place Stanstead, Essex, England
Civil parish Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish St Stephen
Residence Place Dulwich, Camberwell, London, England
Registration district Camberwell
Sub registration district Dulwich
ED, Institution or Vessel 1
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 461
Folio 17

[Sylvia C]

Have you thought of checking the street on the birth certificate?

12 Bluebell or Blundell Street, Islington is what I think it says.

[cbcarolyn]

Have you thought of checking the street on the birth certificate?

12 Bluebell or Blundell Street, Islington is what I think it says.

good idea, just had a look at 12 Blundell street can't see them, shame she was just born after a census.

[Sylvia C]

I wonder if that address was a place where women could go to have their babies, as against going to the Workhouse Infirmary?

I have a family in OH's line that moved either just before or just after a census, several times. Drove me crazy trying to sort it out ......... particularly since they often exchanged places in 2 counties with cousins who had the same forenames. grrrrrrrrrr

There is a strong suggestion that one set were actually Quaker (while also going to CofE for baptisms/marriages/and burial service), and moved due to harassment.

[teasie]

there is a removal order stating Elizabeth Williams properly Gurry, and living in Edmonton could be her, in 1919

The removal order says she lived at 14 Fairfield Road, Edmonton for 3+ years up until around 1903.

In 1901 at 3 Fairfield Road, Edmonton - RG13/1261/85/42

James Williams 63 Commercial Traveller in Jewellery b Lambeth
Elizabeth Williams 57 wife b NK Beds
Arthur 27 son Railway Clerk b Hampstead
Elizabeth 25 daur Violinist b Hackney
Florence 17 daur Cashier in Restaurant b Tottenham
Marguerette 15 daur b Tottenham
Rose Gurry 39 Single Visitor b Islington


The family is at the same address in 1891, with Rose Gurry now a 29 year old servant, born Tottenham, and Elizabeth aged 47 (1844) born Sutton, Beds - RG12/1081/132/3


In 1881 they are at 4 Cawday Street, Hackney RG11/ 317/120/30
James Williams 46 Jeweller b London
Elizabeth 47 Wife b Bedford,
Eliza 18 daur b London
Edward son 16 b London
Emily daur 14 b London
Walter son 12 b London
Mather daur 9 b London
Edwin 6 son b London


I'm struggling with the older children, but these are the youngest two from 1881.

WILLIAMS, MARY ELIZABETH mmn GURRY GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 545
WILLIAMS, EDWIN JOHN mmn GURRY GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 588

[Lin Fisher]

Well done Teasie. In bed last night I thought we should look for her as Elizabeth Williams. With Bedford as her birth place it could be the one I found on the census.

Good luck with them Carolyn. Hope it is the correct family.

[cbcarolyn]

Wow thank you teasie , she is looking like my Elizabeth, and likely be the one Lin Fisher found from Sutton in Beds in 1861

Will get back onto this later, and then will have another go at the Flints.

The trees that have her as Grey do seem to be completely wrong.

[Katarzyna]

there is a removal order stating Elizabeth Williams properly Gurry, and living in Edmonton could be her, in 1919

This would suggest to me that she never married.

From 1891 census:
WILLIAMS, LEONARD CHARLES mmn GURRY
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 589

WILLIAMS, GRACE mmn GURRY
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 622
DEATH: WILLIAMS, GRACE 0
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 322

WILLIAMS, FLORENCE OLIVE mmn GURRY
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 323
WILLIAMS, MARGUERITE LILIAN mmn GURRY
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 364

[cbcarolyn]

I wondered about the term properly. That is a nuisance could have done with the record.

Katarzyna thank you will add these.

[Katarzyna]

Possibles
GURRY, ELLEN KATE -
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 264

??? GURRY, ARTHUR JAMES -
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 295

GURRY, LOUISA JANE -
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 443

Death GURRY, LOUISA JANE 0
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 221

[cbcarolyn]

Ooh you are on a roll, I have not had time to look have a busy day today.

found the 1861 census that Lin found - mistranscribed on Ancestry

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/5082725:8767?ssrc=pt&tid=193937878&pid=182525624735

I assume Ann her sister, will look later.

[Katarzyna]

I'm struggling with the older children, but these are the youngest two from 1881.
WILLIAMS, MARY ELIZABETH mmn GURRY GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 545
WILLIAMS, EDWIN JOHN mmn GURRY GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 588

Maybe James had been married before ie the older children will have a different mmn.