find first marriage?

[cbcarolyn]

I said I would help a friend find first marriage of Henry George Collins, and I can't find it!

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/18307562:1623?ssrc=pt&tid=190730340&pid=402526897026

he was in Bethnal Green in 11 and 21

[Gardengirl]

Is there any other evidence of a first marriage apart from the word widower on the marriage entry?

Ancestry offered a 1939 register entry for Henry Collins in West Ham mental asylum. Maybe he already had some mental illness problems when he got married and saying he was a widower wasn’t true?

There’s also a workhouse record for a Henry Collins aged 14 in 1908.

They could all be red herrings because Henry Collins was probably a not uncommon name.

[vera2013]

I too wonder about the status Widower on the mc. Can't see anything for a previous marriage in BG. Still with family in BG in 1921. Can't see anything for a death of previous wife in BG. There is something about his father ? dying following an accident but cannot see newspaper full account on FMP

Vera

[PhotoFamily]

Findagrave for "Harry" and Doris May.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/193156057/doris-may-collins?_gl=1*1ecx170*_gcl_au*MjEzOTcwNDU1NC4xNjk4NTE3MjQz*_ga*MTAzNjE3Mzk3Ny4xNjk4NTE3MjQ0*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*YmI5OTliOGMtYWVhOS00NTU5LWExOWYtOGNlYzNlYzkzZTM1LjEuMS4xNjk4NTE3MzQ2LjM1LjAuMA..*_ga_6R6RRSB9ZD*YmI5OTliOGMtYWVhOS00NTU5LWExOWYtOGNlYzNlYzkzZTM1LjEuMS4xNjk4NTE3MzQ2LjAuMC4w

Hoping to find Doris in the 1939.

[PhotoFamily]

Probably them with other Collins peeps in the 1937 ER

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1795/images/40020_190565-00796?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=zAe5&_phstart=successSource&pId=10249951

Not having much luck uniquely identifying Doris in the 1939. One thought I had had was that Henry might have had a child by his first marriage, and finding Doris might locate a child from the marriage?

[PhotoFamily]

Here's their ER in 1939
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/7221399:1795?tid=&pid=&queryId=b7aa462dfdba2568d4c 46bb499bd12b8&_phsrc=zAe10&_phstart=successSource

they're in BG - shouldn't they be in the 1939 in BG, too? Or is there are a time lag in the ER that could mean that they were elsewhere?

Any chance of obits?

[PhotoFamily]

HG's father and mother seem to be living with them in the 1937. Possible death of father

COLLINS, HENRY	70
GRO Reference: 1938 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 138

but no probate found to go with it
Not spotting Elizabeth Collins in death index for BG 1937-1939

[PhotoFamily]

Probably HGC in the 1939, married, but not living with wife?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/6136258:61596

[cbcarolyn]

it is a friends husbands father, and when he died they found MC and saw he was a widower, and that is all they know.

I can't see any marriage, and he is on reg of electors living with family, seems unlikely that he went elsewhere and married.

[vera2013]

This is likely to be the 1939 for Mother Doris (transcribed Dorris) May billetted out with her two children b 1937 and 1940 in a South Cambs village. Children's names remain covered.

DOB gives two possibles for Doris May b 22 Dec 1914. Sorry can't link

[cbcarolyn]

This is likely to be the 1939 for Mother Doris (transcribed Dorris) May billetted out with her two children b 1937 and 1940 in a South Cambs village. Children's names remain covered.

DOB gives two possibles for Doris May b 22 Dec 1914. Sorry can't link

thanks Vera will find it and send to her, I hadn't found it. Marriage is a mystery.

[vera2013]

thanks Vera will find it and send to her, I hadn't found it. Marriage is a mystery.

Correction children b 1937 and 1939

Vera

[vera2013]

I can't see a birth registration for Henry G for 1903 with mmn Mears. Can see the baptism record. Wonder if he was registered under a different name. All other children registered

Vera

[Darksecretz]

Do you think he was living with her as though they were married? was she already married? sorry coming in late to the party.. as always.

[cbcarolyn]

I can't see a birth registration for Henry G for 1903 with mmn Mears. Can see the baptism record. Wonder if he was registered under a different name. All other children registered

Vera

I assume they have his birth cert, will have to ask

[cbcarolyn]

I can confirm they do not have the birth cert, so maybe there is a mystery.

[cbcarolyn]

Do you think he was living with her as though they were married? was she already married? sorry coming in late to the party.. as always.

Could be

[Darksecretz]

Aside from the 1911 census, have they tracked any further backwards?

[Darksecretz]

There is this:

COLLINS, ALBERT EDWARD	MEARS
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 109

Maybe they didn't like that name and changed it to Henry George?

[Darksecretz]

There is this:

COLLINS, ALBERT EDWARD	MEARS
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 109

Maybe they didn't like that name and changed it to Henry George?

Actually that would fit really nice with Henry being his father and George being his uncle......