Brameld Family - South Yorkshire

[Gmelliottuk]

1851 census
Keelings Lane, Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire, England

Sarah Bramald Head Widow Female 66 1785 - Newhill, Yorkshire, England
William Bramald Son Unmarried Male 33 1818 Potter Hanley, Staffordshire, England
William H Bramald Grand son Orphan Male 12 1839 Potter Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Ann Taylor Grand daughter - Female 7 1844 - Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Newhill is between Wath upon Dearne and Swinton

I literally live round the corner from Newhill!!
That definitely looks like it could be them. My gut feel was always that they started in Yorkshire and moved to Staffordshire, before coming back. There's just too many Bramelds in the area before Henry came along, for that not to be the case.

I'll digest all your information and see if I can match any of the individuals to the sheet I've pulled together

[Katarzyna]

Dau Elizabeth Bramald marries William Dale. sept qtr 1849 Stoke on Trent Vol 17 p 204

1861 census West Derby.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...t=successSourc e&ml_rpos=1&queryId=4a59d8697e0bea65574e7ac00f88 60 97

William Dale 34 Head
Elizabeth Dale 36 Wife
Arthur Dale 10 Son
William Dale 8 Son
Sarah Brannalab 76 Mother Brampton Bierlow, Yorkshire ( Brammald on Family Search.) China painter.
Thomas Taylor 19 Nephew

[Gmelliottuk]

Is Elizabeth not on either of the two census records further up? I presume not. The 1851 census she isn't present and the Elizabeth living with John on the 1841 presumably died if their son was an Orphan.

If I could just prove that Sarah was Henry's mother, I can probably say with some certainty that the shoemakers and pottery owners are part of the same family.

[Katarzyna]

1841 census on Ancestry
Name John Bramall
[John Bramald]
Age 50
Estimated Birth Year abt 1791
Gender Male
Civil parish Stoke Upon Trent
Hundred North Pirehill
County/Island Staffordshire
Registration district Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district Hanley
Piece 990
Book 7
Folio 8
Page number 8

John Bramall 50 born out of county
Sarah Bramall 50 ditto
Sarah Bramall 20 Staffordshire
William Bramall 20 ditto
Eliza Bramall 16 ditto (Elizabeth).
Ellen Bramall 15 ditto
Emma Bramall 12 ditto


Need to find the marriage of John and Sarah in Yorkshire.

Elizabeth's marriage to William Dale shows father is JOHN.
Name Elizabeth Bramald
Marriage Age Full Age
Record Type Marriage
Residence Place Hanley
Marriage Date 10 Sep 1849
Marriage Place Stoke on Trent, St Peter ad Vincula, Staffordshire, England
Father John Bramald
Spouse William Dale
Religion Anglican
Page number 164

[Gmelliottuk]

Sarah can't be Henry's mother then I don't think. On his marriage certificate, it said his father was called Thomas.

It all seems to fit though, really frustrating

[Katarzyna]

I have no idea where the connection to your family might be but there is a definite link between Staffordshire and Yorkshire. Finding John should help in that perhaps John's father could lead to more brothers to bring forward but that means searching back into parish registers both Yorkshire and Staffs.