marriage licence

[loltel]

hi again

still on the webb trail.

i have heard a marriage transcribed for edward webb in 1771, it states " by licence, bride minor"
Can anyone explain this for me and is it possible to see the licence.

obviously i understand she must have been underage, bit what would the licence involve etc

many thanks

[Lin Fisher]

Officially, you can either get married by Licence or banns. Most people married by banns but a lot of people married by licence. Think you had to pay for it and have guarantors. The minor bit means she was underage and needed her father consent.

Some are on line. If you give some details I'm sure someone will have a look for you.

I'm sure someone will explain it better than I have.

[loltel]

Officially, you can either get married by Licence or banns. Most people married by banns but a lot of people married by licence. Think you had to pay for it and have guarantors. The minor bit means she was underage and needed her father consent.

Some are on line. If you give some details I'm sure someone will have a look for you.

I'm sure someone will explain it better than I have.

many thanks for your reply,

I have listened to a listing for Edward Webb marriage to Elizabeth White on 6th feb 1771 in St marys Church, Standon in Hertfordshire.
states marriage by licence, bride minor and i would like to find if there is anymore detail about this licence or marriage

thanks

[PhotoFamily]

FS's discussion about marriage licence/bond/allegation
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Marriage_Allegations,_Bonds_and_Licences_in_Englan d_and_Wales

It can be worthwhile (or not) to find the Allegation and Bond. Bonds are less likely to exist or be online.

If the bride is underage, it may list her age, and her father or mother may sign the allegation to give permission. The bride and groom's parishes are also listed.

[loltel]

FS's discussion about marriage licence/bond/allegation
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Marriage_Allegations,_Bonds_and_Licences_in_Englan d_and_Wales

It can be worthwhile (or not) to find the Allegation and Bond. Bonds are less likely to exist or be online.

If the bride is underage, it may list her age, and her father or mother may sign the allegation to give permission. The bride and groom's parishes are also listed.

many thanks for your reply,

I have tried to follow your link, but the information is to long for my machine to process and my brain cant hold that length of information, i am visually impaired and rely on my reader voice, so the more simple the instruction i say the easier it becomes

thank you for taking the time

[PhotoFamily]

Could someone look on FMP? Ancestry seems to only have a transcription of the marriage
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/34268566:9852?tid=&pid=&queryId=0426d3fdeaae59cf18 3013d1aac629a7&_phsrc=UKU2&_phstart=successSource

And, FS doesn't seem to have it at all.

[PhotoFamily]

loltel, Licences were sought when a couple wanted to marry quickly, privately, or when the vicar had any questions or problems.

It sidestepped the Banns requirement.

Usually the groom (but sometimes the bride) went to the ecclesiastical authority, gave his oath (allegation) that there was no impediment to the marriage (e.g., consanguinity), paid for the bond.

The licence was given to the groom (or bride). The court retained the allegation and the bond. The latter two often still exist today, but licences only if they were handed down thru the family.

The reference you have said the bride was a minor, so that is likely the reason for the licence. The licence might have the bride's age, and I think it would have the father's or guardian's name. I have several Dissenter families who seem to like to marry off the girls at an early (minor) age. Dissenters were frequently required by the vicar to get a licence anyway, plus the bride was a minor.

Sometimes the information is useful, sometimes not so much, but still interesting.

[PhotoFamily]

The Marriage Record is on the Herts HALS website

Ed Webb of Braughing

Elizabeth White

Standon

marriage register

6 Feb 1771

https://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/ufs/HALS_MARRIAGES.eb?T_USER_ID=xyz_TEMP_99&UVISITOR=1 _1695936027656&T_ORDER_ID=499319&SF_EXACT_SEARCH=f alse&ebd=0&ebz=1_1695936027656

You would need to buy it to see it.

But HALS didn't have the allegation (and I think it would have, should have???). They may have gone to a court outside of Herts to get the licence.

[Vivian]

This is a copy of the marriage entry from the Parish Register of Standon : Marriages & Banns 1754-1777 D/P 101 1/6.

No. 173. Edward Webb of ye Parish of Braughing in ye County of Hertford Batchellor & Elizabeth White of this Parish a Minor were married in this Church by Licence this sixth Day of February in ye year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred & seventy one by me Willm. Wade Vicar of Braughing.
This Marriage was solemnized between us the Mark of X Edward Webb the Mark of X Elizabeth White.
In ye Presence of Sam E. Calvert, John Allen, John Cundall.


Edward WEBB & Elizabeth WHITE 06.02.1771 Standon, Herts.jpg

[Sylvia C]

The marriage is in FreeReg ................

County	Hertfordshire
Place (Links to more information)	Standon
Church name (Links to more information)	St Mary
Register type (Links to more information)	Parish Register
Register entry number	173
Marriage date	06 Feb 1771
Groom forename	Edward
Groom surname	WEBB
Groom parish	Braughin
Groom condition	bachelor
Bride forename	Elizabeth
Bride surname	WHITE
Bride parish	Standon
Witness1	Saml CALVERT
Witness2	John ALLEN
Notes	By licence. Bride minor. Groom/bride signed with X
Transcribed by	Graeme Bright
File line number	47

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/6345f45df493fd7672c734fa/elizabeth-white-edward-webb-marriage-hertfordshire-standon-1771-02-06?locale=en

Or go to ..................

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new?locale=en

and search from scratch.

I then looked for Elizabeth's baptism from 1750 to 1765, but there were 3 baptised between 1752 and 1764, when she would have been under the age of 21.

There is a burial for an Elizabeth White as "infant" in 1764 which I presume to be the baby baptised that year. This is the information for the other 2 ...........

County	Hertfordshire
Place (Links to more information)	Standon
Church name (Links to more information)	St Mary
Register type (Links to more information)	Parish Register
Baptism date	05 Nov 1752
Person forename	Elizabeth
Person sex	F
Father forename	James
Mother forename	Mary
Father surname	WHITE
Transcribed by	Graeme Bright
File line number	327

County	Hertfordshire
Place (Links to more information)	Standon
Church name (Links to more information)	St Mary
Register type (Links to more information)	Parish Register
Baptism date	23 Apr 1758
Person forename	Elizabeth
Person sex	F
Father forename	Isaac
Mother forename	Elizabeth
Father surname	WHITE
Transcribed by	Mick Claxton
File line number	56

I don't know whether that gives you any more help!!

[loltel]

hi

Many many thanks for the replies and sincere apologies for the late replies.
somehow i managed to snap my receiver ariel stick thingy, but replacement fitted today, so i am back in world contact.

i am going through replies as quick as i can

thank you again