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  • Help with finding someone in 1851 please

    I hope someone is able to see what I can’t.
    I have Charles Taylor, born 1820 in Dorking, Surrey.
    In 1840, he marries Mary Nye in Holmwood, Surrey.
    Mary died in premature childbirth in 1844, in Dorking, Surrey.
    I haven’t found any children born to them prior to this date.
    In 1861, Charles is marked as a widower, living with his three sons. Charles b Dorking 1853, John b Kingston 1857, George b Kingston 1859.
    They are living at 7, Youngs Buildings, Kingston.
    Also with them is Ann Sturt, age 29, a servant.
    Thanks to the £2.50 downloads, I’ve now been able to discover that Ann Sturt is actually the mother of all three boys.
    I haven’t found a marriage between them, although Ann calls herself Ann Taylor on the birth certificates. Charles senior died at the same address in 1867, age 46.
    Annoyingly, there is an Ann Sturt marrying in Dorking in 1856, but there are two female names and only one male. So without buying the certificate it isn’t possible to know if Charles Taylor was the other male.
    It would really help to find him in 1851. He was a carpenter and seems to have always lived around Dorking/Kingston. I can’t find Ann Sturt in 1851 either, so I don’t know if they were together.
    A further puzzle is why she is named as servant in 1861, with her maiden name. Charles had been widowed since 1844, so he was free to marry her, and they had at least three children.
    Apologies for the long post and TIA to anyone who can help.
    Last edited by darannon; 29-07-23, 09:52.

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    Haven't found Ann in 1851. However in 1861, as well as being classed as servant, she is also recorded as housekeeper.
    As an aside, I suspect the enumerator classed her as "servant," whilst Charles described her as "housekeeper." Over the years, I have come across many "housekeepers" who undertook all "wifely" duties, including producing children .
    On the birth certs, is she recorded as Ann Taylor, formerly Sturt?
    Perhaps they didn't marry because she already had a husband??
    Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 29-07-23, 10:17.
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    • #3
      I came across this transcription - mar at Dorking 12 July 1856 Ann Sturt & William Rixon.
      Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 29-07-23, 10:45.
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      • #4
        Thanks for the replies. In December 1856, John Taylor (husband’s g.grandfather) was born to Charles Taylor and Ann Taylor, formerly Sturt (transcribed as Stout). They were living at Heather? Cottages, Kingston, Surrey. The birth informant is Ann and she makes her mark.
        I have her birth and baptism record in Cranleigh Surrey in 1830.

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        • #5
          Annoyingly, there is an Ann Sturt marrying in Dorking in 1856, but there are two female names and only one male. So without buying the certificate it isn’t possible to know if Charles Taylor was the other male.
          Yes is the short answer, though I'm not sure I remember just how to do it!.. Though I do remember that it's done on FreeBMD and you need to use the page/vol numbers

          ah, according to FS it was William Rixon she married.

          Name Ann Sturt
          Gender Female
          Marriage Date 12 Jul 1856
          Marriage Place Dorking, Surrey, England
          Spouse
          William Rixon
          FHL Film Number 0804121, 0804123, 804123​
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Darksecretz View Post

            Yes is the short answer, though I'm not sure I remember just how to do it!.. Though I do remember that it's done on FreeBMD and you need to use the page/vol numbers

            ah, according to FS it was William Rixon she married.

            Name Ann Sturt
            Gender Female
            Marriage Date 12 Jul 1856
            Marriage Place Dorking, Surrey, England
            Spouse
            William Rixon
            FHL Film Number 0804121, 0804123, 804123​
            See post 3!
            Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 02-08-23, 09:59.
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