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  • julip
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    I would like to give you all an update on Angus MaClean and Marion Robertshaw . After months of not really getting anywhereI have found out what happened to them . I had info on them at the beginning of their life, parents , where they lived etc. but seemed to had hit the proverbial brick wall . I had found that they went back and forward to Burma quite a lot , but just couldn`t find anything on their time in Burma . Then about 3 weeks ago I had a light bulb moment ! Knowing he was principal of the Agricultural College in Dumfries, I wondered if the College had a facebook page . It certainly did , so I posted a query on the site . I didn`t hear anything for a couple of week , then a series of coincidences happened . First off I had a phone call from one of my husbands cousins who lived in Lockerbie . I had told her of my quest, and she told me that the local paper had an article , requesting anyone who knew of the family to get in touch with me through my email address . A few days later I had a reply from someone who knew the family well ! It turned out the lady`s father was very friendly with Angus . They would go to church together ,and when Marion died this family would give Angus a lift to church etc. Angus had given her father all his notes ,paper, diaries on his time in Burma . Angus was principal of the Agricultural College, in Mandalay , Burma . It also details his flight from Burma when the Japanese invaded . It mentions 2 videos of his time in Burma . This lady had kept all his books and papers in the attic for for over 50 yrs !!. She of course did not know of any surviving family in Dunbar . I was absolutely amazed , that finally I had all the information we had been looking for since May . Could hardly believe it . She has offered us the documents , so we could have all the information etc, for our archives. When we had our open day in May we discovered someone who was closely related to Angus, he is her great uncle . We have offered to give her all the books etc ,as I feel it is only right that she and her family will be presented with everything we have found . She very kindly said that when all the family have read all that is in the documents that the family feel it should be in the place where it can be enjoyed by a wider audience. We are so excited that at last we have provided the family with a history of part of the family they knew nothing about .They didn`t know of his time in Burma, or the existence of the beautiful stained glass window, that Angus had made to commemorate his loving wife We have made arrangements to travel to Dumfries to meet this lady.She is going to show us around and point out the College ,Church and house connected to Angus and Marion . We are also going to take the great niece of Angus , whose parents are buried in Spott Church ,to show her around .

    You have all been so helpful ,especially GallowayLass. I feel so pleased that our journey is almost completed . I was sure you would have liked to know the outcome.
    Evelyn
    Last edited by julip; 06-11-23, 17:56.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Glad to be able to help. Still not heard from council burials dept.

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  • julip
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    I second that !!
    Evelyn

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  • Janet in Yorkshire
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    Well done to GL for all the info and images you managed to unearth for Julip

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  • GallowayLass
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    Sounds promising.
    pm me the name of the firm. A friend (ex colleague) of mine’s husband works for one of the long established firms.
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 29-03-23, 20:28.

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  • julip
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    I contacted Warriston yesterdat and they told me the ashes were collected by a funeral firm in Dumfries but word of where they were taken . I sent a message yesterday to the firm ,they are still to get back to me

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  • GallowayLass
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    I notice that in all the things I found, the surname is MacLean rather than McLean including the SP death indexes for them. The valuation roll has that old lazy humbug M’ instead of Mc or Mac. Make sure you say to the folks at Warriston that someone may have written it either way in the records of what happened to a deceased person’s ashes. I have not dealt with staff there before so I am not sure if they would automatically look for all versions or just check for exactly the version you quote.
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 28-03-23, 13:27.

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  • julip
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    Oh my goodness you have been busy ! Thank you so much this is amazing info . Really appreciate all your efforts and time , one step closer. At least we know more about what happened to them .I will check with Warriston Crematorium .I notice Margory his sister was informant on Angus`s death cert .As she lived in Edinburgh it is possible his ashes were spread on her gravestone if there is one . I still have a bit time our open day is 27th May .
    Thanks again
    Evelyn

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  • GallowayLass
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    Dunno what is going wrong with this post. I give up LOL Will try again tomorrow.





    Last edited by GallowayLass; 28-03-23, 00:39.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Maxwelltown West Parish Church (Church of Scotland) where Angus' funeral service was held before leaving for the crematorium.

    Maxwelltown West Church Dumfries.jpg

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  • GallowayLass
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    First mention of Angus being the owner of Wayside in 1951 - 1952 Valuation Roll for the County of Dumfries. line 972. Back then, properties that far out on the Edinburgh Road were not within the boundary of the Burgh of Dumfries although they were in the parish of Dumfries. Note he's still a civil servant rather than Principal of the College of Agriculture.

    Wayside, Edinburgh Road, Dumfries, Valuation Roll 1951-1952.jpg
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 27-03-23, 23:35.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Angus' entry in Warriston Book of Remembrance 1972

    MACLEAN, Angus Entry in Warriston Crematorium Book of Remembrance 1972.jpg
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 27-03-23, 23:09.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Angus' death notice Dumfries and Galloway Standard.

    MACLEAN, Angus Death Notice 1972.jpg

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  • GallowayLass
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    Marion's entry in the Warriston Book of Remembrance 1956

    MACLEAN, Marion Entry in Warriston Crematorium Book of Remembrance 1956.jpg
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 27-03-23, 23:10.

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  • GallowayLass
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    MACLEAN, Marion Death Notice 1956.jpg
    Marion's death notice Dumfries and Galloway Standard
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 27-03-23, 23:12.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Here we go at long last. Apologies for the delay. Auntie (godmother) has another stroke. Today just went to h*ll in the proverbial handcart.

    As there is no instant access to the Nithsdale Burial Index and things now take a week's notice to consult (Grrr!), I rang the Council's burials department but nobody answered so I tried the switchboard and they got no answer either. The lass took the dates of the funeral announcments and that at least one them was cremated in Edinburgh and sent an electronic request for them the contact me. Knowing how slow the wheels of council grind, they may not reply in time for your event. You might be quicker to telephone Warriston crematorium in Edinburgh and ask them to check their records to find out what happened to Angus' and Marion's ashes as I have since discovered they were both cremated there. n.b. the dates in the Book of Remembrance are the actual death dates, not the cremation dates. I am hoping that they will have a record that both sets of ashes were reurned to Dumfries in which case there may be a gravestone/tablet in a graveyard somewhere in town.There was no crematorium in Dumfries at the time. We have only had one since 2005.

    Warriston Crematorium
    Warriston Road, Edinburgh EH7 4HW
    Email: warriston@edinburghcrematorium.com
    Telephone: 0131 552 3020
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 27-03-23, 23:11.

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  • GallowayLass
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    It’s okay. Found funeral notices for them. Sadly, it doesn’t look like there will be a gravestone as Angus was cremated in Edinburgh. Marion’s funeral announcement says her funeral was private. No indication if buried or cremated. Will post images later on.
    Have checked also for a couple of weeks beyond Angus’ funeral announcement for an obituary but no luck.
    The first mention of Angus being the being the proprietor of Wayside is the 1951 - 1952 Valuation Roll which was valid from Whitsunday 1951 to Whitsunday 1952. Image to follow. The previous owner Miss Elizabeth J Kerr died in 1951.
    Should be home in a couple of hours have a few things to do.
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 27-03-23, 13:53.

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  • GallowayLass
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    Am in Ewart Library. Not best pleased that these idiots currently in charge have even removed the Nithsdale Burial Index out to storage!! This search could take me a while
    If you are online anytime soon could you please post full dates of death to save me going through the death notices for the whole of 56 and 72. Ta muchly

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  • julip
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    Thanks cbcarolyn, pretty sure this is them . His sister`s address is not far away in Edinburgh.

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  • cbcarolyn
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    There is a 1944 record arriving back from India with address of Southleigh, Corstorphine Rd, Edinburgh. Indian Agricultural service again.

    nothing in the papers, I think there is quite a gap of papers in that area in middle of century

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