Deciphering a name

[tessie31082]

Hello, please can anyone tell me what they think the name is under the 2nd Abraham? It's been transcribed as what I would say was a girls name but says son and I can't find the same transcribed name on any other records!
Thanks
Tessie

[kylejustin]

Amberlane?

[GallowayLass]

What census is it from, what address and where is place of birth?

[Darksecretz]

I'd say Amberlane, Though I suspect it should be Amberline a gypsy name that is. [in case you didn't know] add that to the surname and occupation and i'd say a high probablilty that they were gyspies.

https://rtfhs.org.uk/gypsy_identity/

[GallowayLass]

A variation of forename and a different surname was the only thing that came up with a search in ancestry version of birth index to 1837-1915 for Amber* *well. Same names on GRO online. Is this the person? Surname on the census looks like BOSWELL.

BEWELL, AMBERZINA WALKER	-
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 199

[Gardengirl]

This came up when I googled Amberlane https://www.nameslook.com/amberlane/

[tessie31082]

Hi all, yes it is transcribed as Amberline and they are a gypsy family!

I can't find an 'amberline' on the birth records though. Interestingly on the following census there is a 'William' with the same birth year (within a year) of Amberline so I wonder if Amberline and William are the same person!

There are also other children with what I assume are gypsy names that I'm also not able to find.

Interestingly, there is a birth record for 'Young Lydia Boswell' but I can't find anything on her (and there are plenty of Boswell children in the same location with what I think are different parents) and a 'Schilly' (transcribed) but I think that is a girl called Ann Celia!!

Also, it seems Abraham Boswell married Lydia Evans but Lydia uses Elizabeth/Ann occasionally!

I obviously also can't find a marriage for Boswell / Evans.

Tessie

[Darksecretz]

Hi all, yes it is transcribed as Amberline and they are a gypsy family!

I can't find an 'amberline' on the birth records though. Interestingly on the following census there is a 'William' with the same birth year (within a year) of Amberline so I wonder if Amberline and William are the same person!

There are also other children with what I assume are gypsy names that I'm also not able to find.

Interestingly, there is a birth record for 'Young Lydia Boswell' but I can't find anything on her (and there are plenty of Boswell children in the same location with what I think are different parents) and a 'Schilly' (transcribed) but I think that is a girl called Ann Celia!!

Also, it seems Abraham Boswell married Lydia Evans but Lydia uses Elizabeth/Ann occasionally!

I obviously also can't find a marriage for Boswell / Evans.

Tessie

Gypsies were really quite bad at getting their children bapt/registered, there are some really strange names out there as well, have a look at the link I posted on post number 4

[PhotoFamily]

I had help some years ago looking for a Boswell family - and it turned out they also used the surname Rogers. Someone on FTF knew to look for the other surname, but I can't remember why.

[cbcarolyn]

could be worth looking in the papers

off out but a lot of abraham boswells mentioned here

https://newspapers.library.wales/search?range%5Bmin%5D=1804&range%5Bmax%5D=1919&alt=%28%29&page=1&refine=&query=%22abraham+boswell%22++&sort=score&order=desc&rows=12

[cbcarolyn]

I had help some years ago looking for a Boswell family - and it turned out they also used the surname Rogers. Someone on FTF knew to look for the other surname, but I can't remember why.

it was my travelling family that swapped back to the mothers maiden name, even though father still there.

[cbcarolyn]

there is an Ambelina mentioned in 1889 newspaper on BNA with father and brother.

[Anne in Carlisle]

This one looks as though it might be along the same lines, although it is 2years early to be yours, who was only 8 (or so they said!)
Births Sept 1860

BOSWELL

Hameline

Cardiff

11a

198

Anne

[tessie31082]

could be worth looking in the papers

off out but a lot of abraham boswells mentioned here
https://newspapers.library.wales/sea...r=desc&rows=12

That's a lot haha!!

I wonder if this is 'my' Abraham. It seems that it is the righ kind of area and he was apparantly very well known and at some point a 'king of the gypsy's'!

[cbcarolyn]

here is the clip - it is under town of Llanboidy

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[cbcarolyn]

here are a few more
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[cbcarolyn]

That's a lot haha!!

I wonder if this is 'my' Abraham. It seems that it is the righ kind of area and he was apparantly very well known and at some point a 'king of the gypsy's'!

He could be yours - age out a bit though, has a daughter Delia age 20 which fits with some trees, but I have not looked that closely, guess lots of names repeat themselves in these families

[tessie31082]

He could be yours - age out a bit though, has a daughter Delia age 20 which fits with some trees, but I have not looked that closely, guess lots of names repeat themselves in these families

You're not wrong there about names! Most of them seem not to be registered/married either so ... a tree that seems to have gone to task has him as 'King of the Gypsys' and one of his children is definately in my tree - can't see anything to argue against that, it's whether any of the other paper reports match - some names are the same!

Thanks

[cbcarolyn]

worth just looking at all the Boswells in Pembrokeshire registers, as lots of odd names!

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62109/?name=_boswell&count=50

and Glamorgan

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62105/?name=_boswell&count=50

a few there with (H)ezekiah mentioned, he is also in welsh newspapers

[Darksecretz]

We were told that we have Romany gypsy in our family, though I think I know where it is just not where it began, fascinates me!