Who was Mrs Carroll McConnell?

[cbcarolyn]

Thank you. Carolyn. I really appreciate your efforts on my behalf. Isn't it frustrating when they only give you a part of the information?

maybe one day it will be there. I don't know how indexes work, there is no indication if one is MMN. maybe there is a obit in newspaper, they do seem to like putting it in paper. wonder why they move between to places. he seems like an interesting man!

[Janet in Yorkshire]

maybe one day it will be there. I don't know how indexes work, there is no indication if one is MMN. maybe there is a obit in newspaper, they do seem to like putting it in paper. wonder why they move between to places. he seems like an interesting man!

Not as interesting as his father - I'd love to have witnessed him having a session in the psychologist's chair.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

With regards to the children of William Henry Boulter, I am still missing Mary Ann - born Yarmouth, Norfolk c1863.
Family search has an entry for the death of Mary Ann Honeysett (nee Boulter) in Kamloops BC in 1951. However, I can find no factual evidence/images to prove this is my missing lady..

[cbcarolyn]

she is with Ann (Rump) and Mary Ann Ellen in 1892, I have added a snip of the image to the google link

Ann e is here, I would think you may have go this, no mention of Mary though

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175646941/ann-e.-rump

[Karamazov]

With regards to the children of William Henry Boulter, I am still missing Mary Ann - born Yarmouth, Norfolk c1863.
Family search has an entry for the death of Mary Ann Honeysett (nee Boulter) in Kamloops BC in 1951. However, I can find no factual evidence/images to prove this is my missing lady..

You can see the death cert here - looks like she’s yours!

https://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/1f0bfbe3-52bd-4cc5-a931-4879a3f20a5f

Christine

[cbcarolyn]

good find - I wasn't looking back in Canada
is the son victor Jones? I can see that there is a mary ann with a William Philip Jones and with a Hugh Albert Rose, Honeysett a second marriage?

[cbcarolyn]

in the newspapers - they do like to go in the paper! must have married William Philip Jones then
Name: Mary Ann Honeysett
Gender: Female
Death Age: 89
Birth Date: abt 1862
Residence Place: Kamloopt, B. C
Death Date: Abt 1951
Obituary Date: 10 Nov 1951
Obituary Place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Newspaper Title: The Province
Spouse:
W. H. Honevsett
Child:
Fmily Johnson
Nellie Bird
Victor Honeysett
V. G. Jones


He is Victor Gladstone Jones Father William Philip Jones

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Thank you Christine - the death cert clinches it. I couldn't manage to find it find it this afternoon.

Carolyn, I'm struggling a bit with Mary Ann's offspring and also census appearances. I shall have a better look tomorrow

ETA I think there may have been another Mary Honeysett around at the same time. I found one (b1866) married to a John and, in the next census, I think she was widowed and whilst she was still quite a young woman. Perhaps she married again????
My Mary died in 1951 aged 89. The death cert recorded her husband as William Alfred; there is a death record of him dying in 1948 and a grave marker for the two of them confirms these dates. On the death cert, it states that Mary is to be buried in Ocean view cemetery, which is where William was buried and where the grave marker was placed.
It is all a bit confusing! I will try to find the newspaper tomorrow - I mean later today!!!!

[Karamazov]

Assorted obits and deaths

- obit for Mary Ann Honeysett: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/1200...ann-honeysett/

- death cert for Wilfred Alfred Honeysett https://search-collections.royalbcmu...d-66ede706cdce

- Obits for William Alfred Honeysett and one of his daughters which may help untangle the parentage of the various children/stepchildren mentioned in the 2 Honeysett parent obits. These have been clipped by someone called love2findfamily: https://www.newspapers.com/clippings...ove2findfamily


It looks like William was previously married to an Eliza and that Mary Ann Boulter Honeysett was previously married to a Jones and that both first marriages produced a son called Victor! But this is only from a very quick glance so correct me if wrong.

- death cert for Victor Gladstone Jones - gives a date and place of birth but unfortunately the informant (his son) did not give any info about Victor’s parents.https://search-collections.royalbcmu...f-ff16793f0d5f

Update - found Victor Gladstone Jones marriage in 1923 where he gives parents names as William Jones and Marion (sic) Boulter: https://search-collections.royalbcmu...c-4d12f2406fa1
Note the asterisk in front of his first names and handwritten note at top of cert re legal change of name. Any great significance or not?

Christine

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Christine, thank you so much for all of these newspaper clips.
A lot of things now make sense - no wonder I couldn't find appropriate marriages or births etc. I began to think I'd lost the plot completely - obviously I now realise that it was because I was entering the wrong search parameters
This whole extended family of William Henry is certainly proving to be "interesting" and has been somewhat challenging.
Also thanks to Carolyn who has supplied many clues along the way, even though I couldn't always make sense of them at the time.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

William Honeysett mar Eliza Cusden/Custden Q4 1894 Chertsey. They had Emily Esther 1896, William Victor 1897 and Martha Nellie in 1903. They left Liverpool 14 June 1906 aboard "the Kensington," sailing to Quebec.William was a gardener.

1916 Kindersley Saskatchewan, William 50, Marion 55, Victor Honeysett son 19, Victor John Jones stepson 17 (b Canada).

[cbcarolyn]

amazing that they both have Victor - maybe popular at that time!

this is the 1901 census


Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William P Jones 47 Head
Mary A Jones 40 Wife
William V L Jones 20
John A Jones 17
Rhodae E Jones 14 Daughter
Herbert G Jones 11
Ada M Jones 9 Daughter
Winnefred M Jones 9 Daughter
Florence E Jones 6 Daughter
Victor F Jones 0 Sister

District: Northumberland (West/Ouest)
District Number: 96
Sub-District: Hamilton
Sub-District Number: 2
Family Number: 72

Have put a snip on the google link - it is a bad transcription
a few of them

and had then found Emily, Victor and Ellen Honeysett confirming your finds

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Thank you Carolyn. I eventually came across them using FMP and searching for Florence! The image quality on some of the sites is appalling - no wonder there are so many mistranscriptions. I have resorted to using family search, FMP worldwide and Canada libraries and archives. The latter site has been updated and improved but alas I find it unusable now.

What a load of Jones children! I'm now wondering if some of the older ones belonged to an earlier Mrs Jones, as Mary Ann & family did not emigrate until c1884.

I think the name Victor became especially popular in the Victorian era due to Prince Albert Victor of Wales (1864 to 1892) and then the death of Queen Victoria in 1901. I'm already getting in a muddle over all these children - none of them seem to get much of a later mention in the numerous newspaper reports.
This family is certainly giving me quite a work out

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Forgot to say - came across a document re Florence entitled "delayed statement of birth." It was drawn up and dated 14 April 1961 and declared her date of birth had been 19 May 1895. Parents William Philip Jones and Mary Ann Boulter. Perhaps she needed a passport to leave the country or had to prove her eligibility for a pension. Christine pointed out upthread another document update in the family, which I have yet to investigate.

[cbcarolyn]

just looked and can see that marriage of William V L and says mother is Mary Huzzy Jones.

can see births of first lot all with Mary Huzzy

Mary Ann was with her sister in 1892 see post 44

[Janet in Yorkshire]

There were twins; must have been born either side of midnight as they were registered with births on consecutive days.

Yes, I recall coming across the name Huzzy yesterday, when I was looking around. I also came across a couple of stillbirths in the 1890's.

I will try to tackle the Huzzy possible connection over the weekend. This thread has become far more complex than I'd anticipated and I'm really grateful for all the interest and help.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

William Philip Jones married Marie Huzzey in 1875.They could have had an earlier child, but they definitely had William Victor Llewellyn in 1879 & John Alexander in 1882 (birth registrations.) Haven't found a death for Marie. The Boulters arrived in 1883/1884 - I have found no Jones/Boulter marriage. Rhoda Jones was born c1886, so could have belonged to either wife, but I suspect she was a child of Mary Ann, or otherwise she would probably have crossed over into NY state along with the rest of her family It seems the rest of the children belonged to Mary Ann - Herbert Gordon 1889 (mar cert) twins Ada M & Winifred 1892 (birth reg), Florence 1895 (deferred birth reg) Victor (birth reg) 1901. Florence's birth was registered late (in 1961 ) and when Victor married in 1923, the middle name Gladstone was legitimised under the name change act. The original birth registration had the name Gladstone included, but is is in large capitals and I suspect it was added later to the original entry. I have no idea why. There was also a stillborn son in 1897 and a son Wilbert Gladstone in 1898. A further stillbirth in 1903. Quite a gang!

Carolyn, with regards to #44, I don't know how to retrieve /view "the clip," so don't know where the girls were located in 1892. 1892 would have been a strange year for the family. WH's wife (the mother of the girls) finally died in the asylum in 1890 and was buried in Rochester - I think WH lived there, as did his children Thomas William, Alice and Ernest. WH's father, Thomas Boulter, went out on a visit in 1891/2 - as well as WH, he had another son settled in Chicago. (I think it was only for a visit as he had other children in Wales, as well as a fruit business, in which he was assisted by one of the boys.) Thomas died in Rochester in 1892 - so there would be things to deal with. The three girls could just have been socialising (I should think Mary Ann may well have been ready for a break away from the family! ) but as Ann (Mrs Rump) and Mary Ann were the eldest children, they may have been assisting their father, or assessing his soon to be second wife!

I think the Rumps arrived in 1890, the year WH's wife died. The youngest child, Ellen Maud would have been 6 or 7 when her mother died. The Rumps were childless and a descendent of this branch, who I corresponded with some years ago, said they had more or less adopted Ellen, and she spent most of her time with them until her marriage in 1908.
These snippets are brilliant, because one can easily be led astray by census returns (once every 1o years) and just because someone was in the same place for 2 consecutive returns, it is easy to assume they stayed put for the whole of that decade.

[cbcarolyn]

this link should work https://photos.app.goo.gl/W1itwdvA721MhLgw7 I have put a few things there.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource &gsfn=ellen&gsln=boulter&ml_rpos=1&queryId=f68f 098 5ab53e42cc574d646523a0d4c

New York, U.S., State Census, 1892
Name: Ellen Boulter
Birth Year: abt 1883
Birth Place: England
Age: 9
Gender: Female
Citizenship: Alien
Residence Place: Murray, Orleans
Election District: 03

they don't seem to have Mary indexed, but she is there you will see - sorry just realised she is only 14, so a different Mary Boulter!

quite a tangled family wonder where the Gladstone came from

[cbcarolyn]

there is a marriage of Nellie Maria Jones in 1919 (born 1887) age 32 with mother as Maria Huzzey

[Janet in Yorkshire]

she is with Ann (Rump) and Mary Ann Ellen in 1892, I have added a snip of the image to the google link

Ann e is here, I would think you may have go this, no mention of Mary though

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...41/ann-e.-rump

Thank you, Carolyn.
I think the 1892 census return may record HARRY rather than Mary?? He was a brother of the girls, was born1880 in Birmingham and I have a note re his death in 1906 - "In New York, Monday, August 27, 1906. Harry Boulter, aged 27 years, formerly of Rochester. He is survived by his wife, father, three brothers and five sisters."

Thanks also for the tip off about Nellie Maria Jones c1887. Unless her descendants weren't sure of her year of birth, she could have come between "Rhoda E" 1886 &Herbert G 1889. Herbert G 's marriage recorded his parents as Wm P Jones & "Polly Coulter". I am happy with that; in my part of the country Polly was frequently used for Mary Ann and I'm okay with Coulter for Boulter.

Will now delve into the mystery of Nellie Maria! If she is an additional child, Wm P didn't hang around between wives.