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Margaret Taggart Donaldson, born County Antrim, Ireland

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  • #21
    Originally posted by Karamazov View Post
    This is the best I can do re distances.
    They were still in Turnakibbock when the last child I found is born there in 1871
    They had moved to Culbrim/Colebreene Lower by 1886 when Margaret Stewart Taggart died there.

    Open this link to see Colebreene townland https://www.openstreetmap.org/relati...5.1043/-6.5954 - then zoom in until you can see Damhead Miniature railway almost directly due north - that is effectively Turnakibbock/Turnakibeck townland where the children were born (Turnakibeck https://www.logainm.ie/en/58557)
    There is a scale bottom left. Judging by eye they are two or three miles apart.​
    Awesome!
    I think this is James’s father William Taggart leasing a tenement of just over 21 acres in Turnakibbock as of 1859 when the Griffiths Valuation for county Derry was completed.
    https://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie...width=&height=
    Oh, interesting. So, it's also interesting to note that higher on the page there's a James Taggart living in Ballywillin. Hmm.

    Burned out here. Need to step back and go for a walk.

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    • #22
      I wish they would load the remaining death certs...
      WILLIAM TAGGART
      1867
      N/R
      Coleraine
      86
      1867
      4

      FS has a transcript of it:
      William Taggart
      Male
      86
      16 Nov 1867
      Kildollagh, County Londonderry, Ireland
      Kildollagh, Coleraine, Londonderry
      1781
      Head
      Death
      Last edited by PhotoFamily; 27-01-23, 20:35.

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      • #23
        I hadn’t realised certs. of that era weren’t all up already.
        The latest post time is still not updating for me either. It’s about 8 hours behind.
        Sounds like you are almost there though

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        • #24
          Originally posted by GallowayLass View Post
          I hadn’t realised certs. of that era weren’t all up already.
          The latest post time is still not updating for me either. It’s about 8 hours behind.
          Sounds like you are almost there though
          Yes, still waiting for deaths 1864-1870 to be digitised! It’s frustrating, but have no cause to gripe really - I’m not aware of any other country which gives free access to such a wealth of digitised BMD records...
          Researching:
          HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)

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          • #25
            Going back to the will for James Taggart that I mentioned in post #12
            I can’t make out all the info in the will but here are some details:
            5 daughters mentioned in the will (drawn up in 1889) of James Taggart who died 1900
            As far as I can make out he says that Mrs Taggart left them all £10 on her death (she died 1888 but I can’t find a will so presumably this was dying wishes rather than via a formal written will.) James bequeaths as follows:
            Son James Alexander Taggart gets the farm. He died 1934. His daughters (I would guess they are listed in order of age?)
            Jane £40 - this is the one who married Robert Crowe - see timeline below
            Mary Anne £40 - I think she married James McNeill in 1894 - see below
            Isabella £40 - didn’t marry, died 1940
            Margaret £30 - as per original post and assorted info throughout this thread
            Fanny £30 - didn’t marry, died 1939
            Also mentioned are two other sons William and John.
            Two other people, Charles and Robert are to be given the price of a suit of close (sic) - I couldn’t see any surnames or relationships for these two people so I’m unclear who they are.

            Marianne (sic) Taggart of Culbrine, father James Taggart Married James McNeill 5 Jun 1894. Fannie Taggart was a witness.
            https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....58/5846170.pdf
            I think James McNeill’s townland is Drumcroon - https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry...oon/drumcroon/ which is just over the county border in county Derry. If so, it doesn’t look like they had any children - married 17 years according to 1911 census, which fits with the above 1894 marriage.
            1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...croon/1516546/ James 40, Mary aged 30
            1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...mcroon/652401/ James 55, Mary aged 40.

            Jane Taggart Married Robert Crowe 31 Oct 1889. He was a widower of Letterloan. She was a full age spinster of Culbrine (sic). Her sister Bella Taggart was one of the witnesses.
            1901 census - aged 45 with husband Robert 61 and 6 children - the eldest three are via his first marriage (mother Nancy McDonnell), the youngest three are hers
            http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...rloan/1517716/
            - Bella Stewart Crowe born 20 May 1892, Letterloan https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....40/1875127.pdf
            - Fanny Foyer Crowe born 29 Nov 1893 Letterloan https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....76/1854738.pdf
            - Charles Stuart (sic) Crowe (probably intended to be Stewart but registrar didn’t bother checking preferred spelling!) born 21 Jun 1897 Letterloan
            https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....21/1806391.pdf
            - Fanny F and Charles S Crowe with 2 older half-siblings in Letterloan 1911
            http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002802823
            Haven’t found any further info about husband Robert Crowe or daughter Bella Crowe.

            Jane Taggart Crowe died 6 Dec 1907 Letterloan townland, near Coleraine, county Derry - aged 52 according to informant (her husband)

            https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....08/4543453.pdf So born circa 1854/1855
            Will
            Administration (with the Will) of the Estate of Jane Crowe late of Letterloan County Londonderry Wife of R. Crowe who died 6 December 1907 granted at Londonderry (on 5 December 1910) to Robert Crowe Farmer Effects £71 5s.

            Christine



            Last edited by Karamazov; 27-01-23, 22:09.
            Researching:
            HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)

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            • #26
              That's awesome, Karamazov ! Thanks for all your help too, GallowayLass

              As mentioned in my first post, I'm really interested Taggart ancestor line, and I think the trail ends with William Taggart. I'm pretty sure that's his DC. I think running any more detail on the children that have been found is unlikely to connect more ancestors.

              Yes, I too want to see the remaining death certs indexed and put online, but am very grateful for the records already online - including the 1901 and 1911 censuses. Christine - FS has transcribed/indexed many of those records, but I forget the date where their transcriptions end.

              Without going to PRONI or RootsIreland, I don't think I can know more about William Taggart. Any thoughts?
              Last edited by PhotoFamily; 27-01-23, 22:59.

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              • #27
                Culbrim Upper (sometimes Colebreene) seems right to me. Family weren’t living there at the time of Griffiths Valuation (1861) so they evidently moved there after that. The Valuation revision records on the PRONI site show that James Taggart had plot 2 – a 22 acre farm – and that he leased it in 1879. So evidently he lived somewhere else before that.

                Regarding the remaining death records (1864 – 1870) my sources tell me that GRO have 1 person working on this when his/her other duties allow. Don’t hold your breath for them.

                For the probate abstracts where the wills aren’t on-line, the files should be in PRONI in paper format. You can copy them free if you go in person, or PRONI will copy them for you for a fee. Or you can get a researcher to copy them for you.

                Karamazov wonders if Mrs Taggart left a will. She may have done but unless probate was required it wouldn’t have made it to PRONI. Even today, it isn’t necessary to obtain probate for every estate. If no inheritance tax is due, the assets are moveable or in joint names then it isn’t necessary to obtain probate. In such cases the executor should carry out their duties as per the will, and when complete that’s it. The will gets rolled up and stuck up on the mantelpiece to gather dust. It never makes into the official archives. And that was very common in the 1800s. (Even when the deceased had money in a bank account, the bank would often release the money to the executor without a grant of probate. And from personal experience I know they sometimes still do that today.). So lots of people signed wills that never made it to PRONI.

                The boundary between Co. Antrim & Co Derry hasn’t been re-drawn since the very early 1600s. (It was redrawn then to ensure the then new town of Coleraine, on the River Bann, would all be in the one county).

                If you can’t find Maggie Taggart’s birth, an option might be to look for her baptism. Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church. She married in Ballymoney 3rd Presbyterian (St James). So if she always lived in the same place you might expect her to be baptised there. Their baptism records are in PRONI and go up to 1940.
                Last edited by Elwyn; 28-01-23, 20:22.
                Elwyn

                I am based in Co. Antrim and undertake research in Northern Ireland. Please feel free to contact me for help or advice via PM.

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                • #28
                  Elwyn - thank you again for sharing your knowledge. I much appreciate it!

                  My focus is on William Taggart, but I doubt I can tie him into my Taggart line - it's just too distant a connection to find the paper trail. But it is likely the source of a DNA connection.

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