Edward Woodruff

[cbcarolyn]

Anyone up for some searching?

Did this research a very long time ago, and came to a dead end. been searching for a while this afternoon and not found any more

I have Edward Woodruff b1816 - no idea where, married Mary Neal in Chesterfield Dec 1831. there is a burial of Edward in 1841.

I assume it to be him on 1841 census in Hounds Lane Worcester age 25, with Richard 7 and Mary 3 and Jane Neal 65. He is a hawker. None born in county. (don't know who Jane is as I have parents of Mary as Martha, need to check if she is Martha Jane)

There is a baptism which I think is Richard with parents Edward a potter and Mary 1833 in Bolsover, Derby.

There is a connection of pottery/china along with Richards wife Jane Proctor (Worth)

So that's it for Edward. Can't find out what happened to Mary junior or senior
Can't find anyone in 1851

I don't have any certs on this lot, although I thought I had something from a connection I made, but can't lay hands on it.

Richard i am pretty good on for this with Ancestry this is him

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...07478079/facts

this chap did a bit of research on the tree, but he never got any further, he was told there were Huguenots involved. They were definitely travelling sales people selling pottery the Proctor/Worths I did find quite a few things on them

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...31367038/facts

[teasie]

Just a small observation for now.... an 1816 birth would make him very young for an 1831 marriage. If the 1841 death is him then he was 29, ie born c1812.

[teasie]

Some possibilities, with a different spelling...

In 1830 an Edward Woodrough was charged at Marlborough Street, London with obtaining goods on hire and then pawning them. He claimed to have come to London from Brighton to obtain medical advice for his friend, Henry Carter.

On 28 Nov 1813 there was a baptism at Stedham, Sussex of Edward Woodrough s/o William & Ann

There are baptisms in Exeter for children of William & Ann/Hannah Woodrough, and 1821 a baptism of Ann d/o William & Ann Woodrough of Mickley at Holmesfield, Derbyshire

Mickley & Chesterfield are only 7 or 8 miles apart, although there are also some others in Derbyshire with the Woodruff spelling.

[cbcarolyn]

Just a small observation for now.... an 1816 birth would make him very young for an 1831 marriage. If the 1841 death is him then he was 29, ie born c1812.

Thanks Teasie
yes, silly me. I have so little to go on, the travelling aspect makes it hard to pin down. Son Richard all works and comes back to direct line of husband and fits with family knowledge. ruff spelling has been fairly consistent from there down.

have seen endings of ruffe roufe.

Shall have a look at those records, wonder if pottery in there at all

[cbcarolyn]

what do you think occupation is on the baptism

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61408/images/RS00013360_4172629-00215?

Saw man spelt saugh?

found this 1841
is that Saw man?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/WRYHO107_1333_1333-0279

[Lin Fisher]

Just a thought Carolyn. It is very close to Sheffield and a father further down the baptism records is a cutler. Wondered if it was ?? smith but looking at the 1841 census made me thing along a different path. Is he a saw smith, meaning a saw maker as opposed to a saw user. Sure if they made cultery up there they made bigger items as well.

[GallowayLass]

Sheffield was a centre of saw making.

https://www.hmsjournal.org/index.php/home/article/download/190/182

[Lin Fisher]

GL, every day is a learning day!! To me it seemed to fit but never thought to look it up. He could have been a saw maker then.

[cbcarolyn]

Baptism and census probably same man, no idea if that is my man though.

who knew about a saw smith

[vera2013]

Have been looking Carolyn. Not finding anything yet 're Mary Woodruff nee Neal or dau Mary Woodruff b 1838. There is a birth for a Mary Woodruffe June Q Great Boughton, Cheshire mmm Nell. Not followed that one but possibly not yours.

Looking at Richard many Census give pob Bolsover, Derbys so that bp looks good for f Edward, m Mary

Richard's mc to Elizabeth Green records father Edward a Glass and China Merchant.

Vera

[cbcarolyn]

I fee that the glass and china merchant follows on from the pottery salesman. jane Proctors family

Richard was even on census twice once at his home and once whilst away on a sales visit!

they are definitely hiding

[vera2013]

Wonder if this links to Jane Neal 65+/- with Edward Woodruff, Richard and Mary in 1841 Worcester

1815 b 12 May bp 18 May, Matlock, Derbyshire
Mary Neal
F Samuel, M Jane, Abode Bank

1814 m 21 June, Bolsover, Derbyshire
Samuel Nail m Jane Proctor
Witnesses am Cou?e, John Haywood

Vera

[teasie]

The witnesses to Richard's marriage were Elizabeth & Alfred Barnes, who both signed their names (Richard & Jane both made their mark). I wonder if this is them in the 1851 census?

2 Trinity Street, Sheffield - H0107/2339/178/50
Alfred Barnes 26 Visitor, Table K[nife] Cutler b Sheffield
Elizabeth Barnes 22 wife, b Broomhall?, Derbyshire ( possibly Moorhall, Derbyshire)

It looks like they married in 1849 in Sheffield. Both were able to sign their names, although Elizabeth appears to sign as Browell whereas its been written in the marriage entry as Brownell..

Could be an interesting connection to the 1841 census at Sheffield at post #5?

[cbcarolyn]

ooh thanks ladies, will look into this.

I did notice that an Anne Proctor was a witness to Edwards marriage, and his son Richard marries a Proctor/worth (these are the lot that keep changing surnames back and forth)

I don't currently have an Anne Proctor or Jane Proctor in tree that would be suitable age atm. I can see I have 1841 census missing for Richards Jane missing also.

[cbcarolyn]

someone has posted on a FB group (back in 2019!) that Mary married Henry Harrison and moved to monmouthshire. so will check it out

[flowerpot]

Hello, new here, sorry to bring an old thread back to life, but am trying to fine Edward Woodruffs parents & wonder if Carolyn ever found them? I too found him with his children in Worcester & I think his Mother in Law, Jane Neal. There's also a death cert that could be him in 1841. The children seem to vanish after that. Richard appears later with Jarvis Proctor, but no sign of his sister Mary.

[Darksecretz]

Hello, new here, sorry to bring an old thread back to life, but am trying to fine Edward Woodruffs parents & wonder if Carolyn ever found them? I too found him with his children in Worcester & I think his Mother in Law, Jane Neal. There's also a death cert that could be him in 1841. The children seem to vanish after that. Richard appears later with Jarvis Proctor, but no sign of his sister Mary.

No worries about bringing an old thread up at all flowerpot if you use the @ sign and then cbcarolyn you will tag her and she will get a notification that she needs to look at this thread. hope you have some luck

[flowerpot]

Thankyou Darksecretz, bit of a technophobe here.
cbcarolyn

[Darksecretz]

Thankyou Darksecretz, bit of a technophobe here.
cbcarolyn

No, that's quite alright everyday is a schoolday

[cbcarolyn]

flowerpot never got any further. Didn't get a reply to the post on Facebook either. Lost Mary completely. I have an Edward death on 1841, but no guarantee it's him

I guess I could get death cert - burial is on this day

23 Jun 1841

St Andrew, Worcestershire, England