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    Trying to find the head and wife pre 1891 (pre marriage?) based on the following census. I've just stumbled on this family so have very little to go on.

    1891 Census at Ashton's Court, Lincoln, details below are as transcribed on Ancestry (obvious errors in transcription). Image says head of house born Galway, rest of the family in Lincoln.

    Martin Walsh 35 Head b Gatbury, Ireland
    Mary Walsh 41 Wife
    Mary Walsh 13 Daughter
    Patck Walsh 11 Son
    Peter Walsh 9 Daughter
    Margarett Walsh 6 Daughter
    Martie Walsh 5 Son
    Ellen Walsh 2/12 Daughter

    I'm guessing Patck is really Patrick , and Martie is Martin. I'm struggling to find the kids in the bmd, there's a couple that might have the mmn as Wallis/Wallace but the only marriage I can find for the parents is a Martin Walsh to Margaret Kelley, Jun qtr 1881, Lincoln. The 1944 Lincoln death and probate of a Martin Walsh or Kelly​ looks plausible for 'Martie', probate was granted to Margaret Maddison wife of Alfred Maddison, 1907 marriage Margaret Walsh to Alfred Maddison.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

    Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
    My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
    My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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    1881 England Census
    27 Ashtons Court, Lincoln
    Name Age
    Martin Welch 28
    Margaret Welch 27
    Oliver Kelly 12
    John Kelly 9
    Kate Kelly 6
    Mary Kelly 3
    Patrick Kelly 1
    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...ccessSource​
    Kat

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    • #3
      1871 census

      Living Aston's Court

      Oliva Kelley
      26 Head
      Margaret Kelley 22 Wife (With first husband )
      Oliva Kelley
      2 Son
      Mary Kelley
      1/12 Daughter
      Catherine Wallace
      47 Lodger
      John Wallace
      40 Lodger​
      https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...w/3220122:7619

      Name: Oliver Kelley
      Register Type: Burial
      Death Date: abt 1880
      Burial or Cremation Date: 10 Feb 1880
      Burial or Cremation Place: Lincolnshire, England
      URL: https://www.deceasedonline.com/servl...fileid=8952871
      Kat

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Katarzyna View Post
        1881 England Census
        27 Ashtons Court, Lincoln
        Name Age
        Martin Welch 28
        Margaret Welch 27
        Oliver Kelly 12
        John Kelly 9
        Kate Kelly 6
        Mary Kelly 3
        Patrick Kelly 1
        https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...ccessSource​
        This should go part way to unravelling
        1871 , also Ashton’s Court Lincoln
        Oliver Kelley head 26 married labourer born Ireland
        Margaret Kelley wife 22 born Newark
        Oliver Kelly son 2 born Lincoln
        Mary Kelley dau 1 month b Lincoln
        Catherine Wallace lodger widow 47 child woman born Ireland
        John Wallace lodger unmarried 40 Taylor born Lincoln

        Oliver Kelley married Margaret Wallaces (sic) q1 1868 Lincoln
        They have Oliver and Mary as per 1871 above in q4 1868 and q2 1871.
        Then the additional Kelly (sic) children in the 1881 census found by Katarzyna.

        Oliver Kelley dies q1 1880. Et voila, Margaret Kelley nee Wallaces (or whatever variant is used most consistently) remarries to Martin Walsh in q2 1881 Lincoln.

        I haven’t checked thru all Margaret’s assorted Kelley/Kelly and Walsh children on GRO to see how her maiden surname is recorded.

        Christine

        EDIT - Katarzyna obviously types faster than I do!
        Last edited by Karamazov; 17-09-22, 19:04.
        Researching:
        HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)

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        • #5

          KELLY, OLIVER mmn WALLACE --------On 1871 there is a lodger with the Kelley's named Catherine Wallace Widow age 47
          GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 463

          ​ KELLEY, MARY mmn WALLACE
          GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 489

          KELLEY, CATHERINE mmn WALLACE __ Kate?
          GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 490​

          ​​ KELLEY, PATRICK WALLACE
          GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 560
          ​​
          WALSH, PETER mmn KELLY??? - Male not female as in census. Born just after death of husband Oliver Kelly?
          GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 514

          WELSH, MARGARET mmn WALLACE
          GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 553​

          ​WALSH, MARTIN mmn WALLIS
          GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 545

          WALSHAM, ELLEN -
          GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 534​​​
          Kat

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          • #6
            Well done peeps. my head has been spinning since the DNA stuff came back and nothing has been making sense. My grandmother told whopper on my father's birth cert about who my grandfather really is, through DNA there are some links to Walsh family from Ireland and she just happened to be living in the house alongside the archway entrance in Ashton's Court Flats. I don't know for sure if there's a link but clutching and straws springs to mind.

            News reports and later census put the family in Ashton's Court though Martin 1850 whenever seems to have left (there were a few separation orders granted to Margaret at different times reported in the papers).

            I've sat on my father's birth cert since 2006 waiting for the 1921 to come out and then the DNA bombshell drops so who knows, pieces of the puzzle might, or might not have been right next door to her all along, I've got to start somewhere and this seems as good a place as any.

            Last edited by Glen in Tinsel Knickers; 18-09-22, 08:26.
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

            Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
            My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
            My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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            • #7
              Burials;
              Catherine Wallace aged 65 17/01/1876 of Ashton Court

              Mary Kelly 9m 02/12/1871 of Ashton Court
              Oliver Kelley aged 40 10/02.1880 of Ashton Court
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/

              Joseph Goulson 1701-1780
              My sledging hammer lies declined, my bellows too have lost their wind
              My fire's extinct, my forge decay'd, and in the dust my vice is laid

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