Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Advice please

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Just looked at the newspaper thumb nails that Christine put in post 14. One article say who attended and also who sent flowers. The attendants at the funeral were all men but the first flowers noted were from Adele Andrew and Keith and Roberta were mentioned but no surname.

    If it has already been mentioned sorry for repeating it as I haven't read it all again today.
    Lin

    Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham

    Comment


    • #22
      Originally posted by Karamazov View Post

      I’ve looked at the probate record again - I’m not quite sure what Administration (with will) means in terms of the documentation you would get - it seems to be a half-way house between admin (where someone dies without leaving a will) and full probate. Interesting too that it was granted to the Public Trustee, presumably because Keith was a minor.

      I think wills are still only £1.50 so I would go for it!

      Christine
      Thank you I just sent for the will was filling in the form as your message showed. I will put details on here if anything interesting is mentioned as I see a few of you are intrigued about this.. I just spoke to my sister in Law, as it is her mother - in laws family, her daughter my niece tried to research the family as she was very very close to her grandmother but got stuck. I am doing it for her as a surprise, I just hope I can find more information. My sister in law said that she thought Keith was adopted by a family connected to the church but found nothing that links to that so far, but have found out a lot more than she knows already. Thanks again for everyone's help.
      GWEN

      Comment


      • #23
        I have sent for the will and then saw your message. I will post on here if anything interesting details are contained within it.
        once again thank you and everyone for your help
        GWEN

        Comment


        • #24
          That's great. Think we would all like to know what it says. Wills can have so much information sometimes.
          Lin

          Searching Lowe, Everitt, Hurt and Dunns in Nottingham

          Comment


          • #25
            thought it might be useful to see all the names following on from Lin Fisher post 21


            Screenshot 2022-05-13 195318.jpg

            Screenshot 2022-05-13 195344.jpg
            Carolyn
            Family Tree site

            Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
            Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

            Comment


            • #26
              cbcarolyn
              Re final line of article “An extended report is held over.” Have you been able to find this later report - it might just be more about the funeral, but hopefully it would include some more biographical info.

              Christine
              Researching:
              HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)

              Comment


              • #27
                Originally posted by Karamazov View Post
                cbcarolyn
                Re final line of article “An extended report is held over.” Have you been able to find this later report - it might just be more about the funeral, but hopefully it would include some more biographical info.

                Christine
                will look later
                Carolyn
                Family Tree site

                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

                Comment


                • #28
                  The
                  Originally posted by Karamazov View Post



                  Same search done for London, brings up
                  Births Mar 1897
                  Andrews Keith Edward Wandsworth 1d 724
                  e
                  Crosschecking on GRO, the mother’s maiden name is Edinburgh. Took me a while as there is no evidence his parents ever married, but with finding other Andrews/Edinburgh siblings I have found them in 1901, 1911 so definitely not your Keith.
                  Christine
                  Last edited by Karamazov; 14-05-22, 16:21.
                  Researching:
                  HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Lin Fisher View Post
                    That's great. Think we would all like to know what it says. Wills can have so much information sometimes.
                    Yes, intrigued to know what it might reveal!

                    Christine
                    Researching:
                    HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      will have a look and see if anything else, but did find this
                      Screenshot 2022-05-14 143206.jpg
                      Carolyn
                      Family Tree site

                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

                      Comment


                      • #31
                        How very odd that those two inherited his entire property but neither are mentioned as attending his funeral. The list seems to contain only the ‘local great and good’ and some past professional associates.

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          Going back to Walter - even if he wasn’t Keith’s natural father, he was nevertheless an important figure in his life. So here’s a potted summary on what I’ve found on him:
                          His parents were David George Edwards and Mary Issott. His birth was registered in Richmond, Surrey q2 1869. There are various siblings too, all registered as Edwards. 1871 and 1881 census his father is a carpenter, but 1891 and 1901 he is an architect and builder, as per the 1891 marriage that Keldon found.
                          Father dies between 1901 and 1911 when his widowed mother Mary is living with a married daughter.
                          1871 - as Andrew
                          https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2691119:7619?tid=&pid=&queryId=dae34a155dcf3ef6f0a 16d56d4cad242&_phsrc=enx1&_phstart=successSource
                          1881 - as Andrews
                          https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=7572&h=21660627&indiv=try&o_vc=Record :OtherRecord&rhSource=7619

                          1891 - can’t find him or his wife-to-be Adele Susannah Melville nee Gisborne, anywhere despite the fact that they marry in Bognor, only 3 weeks after the census date (as found by Keldon, above).
                          Like Keldon, can’t find her in 1901 and he has posted the link to her in 1911. She dies in Gloucester in q3 1927.
                          She was born in 1849 (but knocks years off her age in later censuses) so she was 20 years older than Walter and marries him only a matter of months after her first husband dies. Makes you wonder how they hooked up! Her first marriage was to James Northage James Melville on 24 Mar 1885 at St John the Evangelist, Mansfield and his death is registered in q4 1890 in Cuckfield, Sussex.

                          Several siblings plus his mother were alive in 1911 when Walter died but no mention of them in the list of attendees or wreath senders. I wonder if what seems to be a conscious decision on his part to go by the surname Andrew rather than Andrews might be an indication of a possible rift with the family? That’s why it will be interesting to see if his mother, siblings or Adele are mentioned at all in the will...
                          Please keep us posted in when you get it!


                          Christine

                          Researching:
                          HOEY (Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Tyrone and Strangford, Down)

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            Good summary Christine. Found a bit more to add to it. There's a glowing article in the Bournemouth Guardian 14 August 1897 about his prowess in cricket and other sports. It's a lengthy article but these are the relevant bits to add to the bio. Also a photo.

                            Born 22 March 1869 in Richmond. Attended Hampton Grammar School.
                            Left Surrey to live in neighbourhood of Burgess Hill and Hayward's Heath, Sussex. (no dates)
                            Then moved to Parkstone. (no dates)
                            Visits and has friends in Mansfield Woodhouse in Nottinghamshire.
                            Phil
                            historyhouse.co.uk
                            Essex - family and local history.

                            Comment


                            • #34
                              he is certainly in the papers a lot, I thought this was interesting the auctioning of his house content
                              s Screenshot 2022-05-14 143634.jpg
                              Carolyn
                              Family Tree site

                              Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                              Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

                              Comment


                              • #35
                                I have looked at the address for the marriage, I am wondering if they were visitors. The Steyne is a victorian place popular with visitors, and found a couple of cottages in 1891 census with visitors.
                                Carolyn
                                Family Tree site

                                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

                                Comment


                                • #36
                                  Coming into this thread late, but I seem to think that legal adoption, as we know it, only dates from about 1927. Before that, people did take care of non-birth children, although there was no legal formality, and also they may have acted as guardians for wards.

                                  With regards to funerals, it was not uncommon for women and children not to attend, although widows and daughters sometimes attended.
                                  Janet in Yorkshire



                                  Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

                                  Comment

                                  Working...
                                  X