Stumped!

[Darksecretz]

Try as I might I cannot find a baptism for Mary Stoten b.1826 Sandon Herts with a father James Stoten a labourer. [fathers name from Marys marriage to Joseph Barnes in 1848 in Sandon.]

I'm pretty certain I have James & his family in the 1841 census but no Mary. In all the census records I have 1851-1891 she is consistent with being born 1826 @ Sandon.
can anyone else spot her baptism please? she is not the Mary Ann b. Sandon [I don't think] or the one that dies in Campbelltown Australia .. in the 1891 census she is living with her married daughter Louisa Clark

thank you.

[Guest]

Maybe?

Mary
Country	England
Last name	Stoughton
Father's first name(s)	James
Gender	Female
Father's last name	Stoughton
Birth year	-
Mother's first name(s)	Elizabeth
Birth place	-
Mother's last name	-
Baptism year	1824
Record set	England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date	25 Dec 1824
Category	Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place	Sandon
Subcategory	Parish Baptisms
County	Hertfordshire
Collections from	England, Great Britain

[Guest]

maybe in 1841

Staton

Mary

1824

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1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Baldock, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England

[Lin Fisher]

That looks good Val. Decided the parents were James and Elizabeth from census. Only guesswork though.

Found her on 1841 census in Ashwell Herts as Mary Stanton living with Benjamin and Ann Christy. Think it's her anyway.

[Lin Fisher]

Val that's different to mine but I don't know the area at all.

[Guest]

sure this is her transcribed as Staton

Mary
Registration district	Hitchin
Last name	Staton
Sub district	Baldock
Sex	Female
Family member first name(s)	Ann, Marshall, Emma
Age	17
Family member last name	Newberry, Wonfor
Birth year	1824
Archive reference	HO107
Birth county	Hertfordshire
Piece number	436
Birth county as transcribed	HERTFORDSHIRE
Book number	4
Birth place other	England
Folio number	37
Occupation	-
Page number	23
Full address	White Horse Street, Baldock, Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England
Schedule	420
Street	White Horse Street
Record set	1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Parish or township	Baldock
Category	Census, land & surveys
County	Hertfordshire
Subcategory	Census
Country	England
Collections from	Great Britain, England

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Mary's local area

[Darksecretz]

Thank you Val and Lin. Those look really promising. I have been baffled by this family and it just gets weirder...

if you have time could you check a marriage for me please?

James Clibbons marries Catherine Banes in Hertfordshire in 1845 [oct nov dec] For some reason James Clibbons name morphs into Clements and Catherines surname was always known as Barns/es! it's making tracking them really difficult.

[Darksecretz]

The Mary Ann Stoten that I mentioned in post #1 is SIL to Mary Stoten.. she married Mary's brother John!

[Guest]

not quite sure what you are looking for?
1851

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1851%2F4356151%2F00339&parentid=GBC%2F1851%2F0006962962

[Darksecretz]

I can't see that Guest I don't have FMP. I have been looking for a marriage between James Clibbens and Catherine Banes. it was supposedly in 1845 Oct nov dec in Herts but I'm not finding one.. so maybe it was a reg office job? thing is that if James and Catherine are the ones I'm thinking that they are why have their names changed to Clements and Barnes? I'm confused!!

the marriage may well be in Weston, these are OH's 3xgrt grandparents... this is another reason why I haven't tackled his side.. too blooming confusing!!

[Guest]

looks like his Bap

First name(s)	James
Father's occupation	Labourer
Last name	Clements
Mother's first name(s)	Fanny
Birth year	-
Country	England
Baptism year	1822
Record set	Hertfordshire Baptisms
Baptism date	05 May 1822
Category	Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place	Weston
Subcategory	Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s)	John
Collections from	England, Great Britain

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About Hertfordshire baptisms

[Lin Fisher]

Can't find a parish marriage for them. If they are the right people in 1851 that Val has then they are down as Clements on 1861 census. Same children only 10 years older.

1871 as Clemons.

1881 as Clemens

[Guest]

1871 under Clemons

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/6296212:7619?queryId=9eb0e27c86768c2bdb6a1d565da4056a&_phsrc=eIK3297&_phstart=successSource

[Guest]

bear wiuth me working backwards 1861

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8767/images/HRTRG9_816_819-0268?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.238776067.208150174.1645649583-616359240.1634058567&pId=18232728

[Darksecretz]

Fabulous! if that is his bapt Guest wish I'd never started then his parents should be Fanny Shatbolt and James Clements, though I can't understand just where/how the marriage index has Clibbens/Banes for the groom and bride. The Marriage index is typed so I suppose that mistranscriptions could be rife which is why I was wondering what it said in the PR's.. but can't find it!!

[Darksecretz]

Can't find a parish marriage for them. If they are the right people in 1851 that Val has then they are down as Clements on 1861 census. Same children only 10 years older.

1871 as Clemons.

1881 as Clemens

thank you Lin Fisher x

[Guest]

1841 is badly mistranscribed

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...jQ1ODMwMjM0LjA.

[Guest]

no luck with the marriage so far

[kylejustin]

No james marrying catherine in 1845 in herts- searching without surnames on FMP. Thoughts would be it was a register office like stated above, or maybe FMP hasn't got the registers for the place. Perhaps they do have the records but they stop before 1845? Have you checked the parish lists on FMP to see if the years are covered for the places you think the marriage took place?

[kylejustin]

Doesn't seem to be any way to view herts civil marriages indexes, as in the local county indexes. The county website can issue you the marriage, but they don't have the indexes online to search.

pre 1837 records are on FMP but also herts names website you can search for pre 1837 too. Doesn't seem to be anything for post 1837, unless FMP has it.