help with name please

[yummy-mummy-amy]

hi,
can anyone help with the name of this child please? i'm totally stuck on it and it has been transcribed on 1911 as mwldwer james grover. Parents are Frederick George Grover and Julia Ann Grover (was Haylock).
I've looked on freebmd and gro for a birth and not finding anything, i've gone back to 1897 when parents married and right up to 1911 incase was 3months not 3years.
thank you.

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[Guest]

looks like Micheleven??

[Guest]

just looked on GRO not found him

[Guest]

You sure she wasn't married before ,so Haylock would not be her maiden name?

[GallowayLass]

Nope, I’m not finding a match either but I am puzzled as to why the couple have been married 13 years by 1911 but only have one 3yr old child?

[annette.humphreys]

Died Jun. 1935 as Mwldwen J Grover in Royston.

Annette

[Jill on the A272]

Died in a plane crash Mwldwen died in a plane crash

Accident Miles M.2F Hawk Major G-ACSD, 04 Apr 1935 (aviation-safety.net)

[annette.humphreys]

I'd say he was adopted - said to have been born in Marylebone and births index shows a Mwldwen Kennedy Boulton birth in June.1907 St. Marylebone - no mmn so illegitimate.

Annette

[GallowayLass]

You sure she wasn't married before ,so Haylock would not be her maiden name?

Looks like her ms was HAYLOCK as in 1901 census, Frederick G Grover - same yob and birthplace - but a lift man at hotel is the head of household married and in the household are Flora and Ada HAYLOCK, sisters in law. No sign of Julia Ann.
Address 44 Eastbourne Terrace, Paddington.

[GallowayLass]

Is this Julia’s birth?, The district is in Suffolk.

HAYLOCK, JULIA	MAYS
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in RISBRIDGE UNION Volume 04A Page 424

Parents’ marriage

James Haylock

Male

31 May 1863

Barnardiston, Suffolk, England

Charlotte Mayes

1849152

1901 it looks like Julia was visiting her parents. Her birthplace of Great Thurlow is Risbridge Reg Dist.

Julia Grover

34

abt 1867

Visitor

Female

Great Thurlow, Suffolk, England

Carlton cum Willingham

Search for 'Carlton cum Willingham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection

Carlton St Peter

Carlton

Cambridgeshire

England

Linton

Balsham

3

1536

27

1

6

James Haylock 57 Charlotte Haylock 58 Arsh Haylock 20 Tom Haylock 16 Julia Grover 34

Source Citation
Class: RG13; Piece: 1536; Folio: 27; Page: 1

[Anne in Carlisle]

Only two people on free bmd with that first name. The first as above. The second born in 1937 mmn Haylock!!
Anne

[GallowayLass]

Tarn it! While trying to establish what Julia’s ms was, I missed the posts coming in about birth and death of the boy.

[GallowayLass]

I'd say he was adopted - said to have been born in Marylebone and births index shows a Mwldwen Kennedy Boulton birth in June.1907 St. Marylebone - no mmn so illegitimate.

Annette

I think so. Here is entry from London Gazette 8 May 1936 concerning winding up his estate. (The rest of it at top of 2nd column is just legalese).

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[GallowayLass]

This one is from the London Gazette the previous year. 15 November 1935.

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[GallowayLass]

Now this is odd. All library edition of FMP. I’m not allowed to access the image of the probate entry in the Library Edition so I tried ancestry and there’s no results using either his first forename or his surname separately but there was an entry on the probate search service.
Oops! Just twigged ancestry only has it up to 1995.

Last name Haylock

First name(s) Mwldwen P

Year Of Birth 1937 mms HAYLOCK

Year Of Death —

Year 1937

Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Location Risbridge, Suffolk, England

Last name Haylock

First name(s) Mwldwen P

Year Of Birth 1937

Year Of Death —

Year 1937

Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Location Risbridge, Suffolk, England

Last name Haylock

First name(s) Mwldwen Peter

Year Of Birth —

Year Of Death 1998

Year 1998

Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019

Location Suffolk, England

HAYLOCK

MWLDWEN PETER

06 August 1998

9851512286

02 April 1998

Grant and will

Ipswich

[GallowayLass]

Probate entry for the Mwldwen who died 1935.

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[annette.humphreys]

Well found, GallowayLass - certainly looks like a Haylock relative of Julia's named her son after Mwldwen James Grover (Mwldwen Kennedy Boulton).

Annette

[GallowayLass]

I was curious about the name and have found it’s Welsh and usually spelled Maldwyn / Maldwen or Madwyn. It is the Welsh equivalent of Baldwin. It may have a link with Montgomeryshire which is also known as Maldwyn (the Shire of Baldwin).
There were 1143 boys registered with the name as a first or middle name from 1837-1915 but only the one had it spelled with the ‘a’ substituted for a ‘w’.
1916 -2007 there are only 5 boys registered with name and again the HAYLOCK birth is unique in its spelling. The other four were Muldwen, 2 x Maldwen and a Malldwen.

[yummy-mummy-amy]

thank you everyone, sorry for not getting back sooner. You are a wealth of knowledge and always helpful. (i've got 1 child with chicken pox, 1 whose car has failed mot and needs a new car as cheaper than repairs and the 3rd has had to have help with college placement as orignal pulled out!!! the joys!)

i honestly thought it was spelling mistakes/transcription errors. James and charlotte were julia's parents.